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Title: Nope, Phil. Nope.
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on April 10, 2018, 08:51:01 EDT
https://atozsportsnashville.com/tennessee-lady-vols-ut-working-extension-holly-warlick/


Title: Re: Nope, Phil. Nope.
Post by: murfvol on April 10, 2018, 09:23:24 EDT
I just came here to post the same thing BDV. This is a benighted move of epic proportions.


Title: Re: Nope, Phil. Nope.
Post by: JeffCountyVolFan on April 10, 2018, 10:10:34 EDT
I suppose that I shouldn't be surprised, but I am.


Title: Re: Nope, Phil. Nope.
Post by: BanditVol on April 10, 2018, 11:17:41 EDT
A two year extension without a bump is meaningless.  So is a two year extension with a small bump.

Three year with a large bump and I'll be upset.

Did anyone really expect her to get fired right now?  I didn't.  Did anyone expect no extension?  I didn't.

The degree of extension and size of bump will determine my attitude towards this.  A two year no cost extension is really just giving her more time to finish hanging herself. I'd rather see that than a rushed and botched fire/re-hire.



Title: Re: Nope, Phil. Nope.
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on April 10, 2018, 11:25:32 EDT
A two year extension without a bump is meaningless.  So is a two year extension with a small bump.

Three year with a large bump and I'll be upset.

Did anyone really expect her to get fired right now?  I didn't.  Did anyone expect no extension?  I didn't.

The degree of extension and size of bump will determine my attitude towards this.  A two year no cost extension is really just giving her more time to finish hanging herself. I'd rather see that than a rushed and botched fire/re-hire.



If it happens, I won't be looking at the bump in salary (or lack thereof), I'll be looking at the buyout.


Title: Re: Nope, Phil. Nope.
Post by: BanditVol on April 11, 2018, 02:56:42 EDT
If it happens, I won't be looking at the bump in salary (or lack thereof), I'll be looking at the buyout.

Good point.  Phil has a lot of leverage.

If we use Phil himself as an example, I thought the extension and raise that Hamilton gave him in  spring of 2008 was too much.  Then turned around and fired him right away.   :frown:

If you're going to fire Holly now, fire her.  If not, then the extension and buyout should be modest. 

What might be telling is how long the negotiations drag on.  I have seen cases like this go into the season.  If I was Phil, I wouldn't be in a big hurry to ink anything.  Unless he thinks it might have a big effect on this year's recruiting.  But even then, let's not make a multi year mistake to save one recruiting class....


Title: Re: Nope, Phil. Nope.
Post by: volsboy on April 11, 2018, 06:54:02 EDT
Why does a coach that led the Lady Vols to a 7th seed in the SEC tourney even have a job, much less looking at an extension? They are going to keep her hanging around just like they did B. Jones. I hope I am wrong.


Title: Re: Nope, Phil. Nope.
Post by: droner on April 11, 2018, 08:02:22 EDT
There was no way she would get fired this year. Make no mistake about it, I'm not happy with her job performance. But a school would look pretty bad to fire a coach who just brought in the #1 class and is bringing in a top five class this year. I think Fulmer is giving her the opportunity to see what she can do with both of these classes. But's that could be like giving someone enough rope to hang themselves.

I won't guarantee that she will still be the coach next year.


Title: Re: Nope, Phil. Nope.
Post by: BanditVol on April 11, 2018, 11:48:44 EDT
There was no way she would get fired this year. Make no mistake about it, I'm not happy with her job performance. But a school would look pretty bad to fire a coach who just brought in the #1 class and is bringing in a top five class this year. I think Fulmer is giving her the opportunity to see what she can do with both of these classes. But's that could be like giving someone enough rope to hang themselves.

I won't guarantee that she will still be the coach next year.

Yep.  The terms of the extension will be very telling.  Ideally it will be a short extension with little to no additional money and a buyout that is capped pretty tightly.