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1  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: I see Vols play Miss St. next year. Plus BYU OOC. A great recruiting class is on: Yesterday at 11:18:10 PM
With our luck, MSU will go 11-1 this year, just miss the playoffs, and be solidly in the hunt for the SECC next year.   
2  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: Saban usually isn't one to run up the score... on: Yesterday at 11:15:27 PM
You are right about the recruiting...thats how you win championships.

Kirby is right there with Nick on that front.

Yes.  He had 9 years at bammer (8 as DC) to learn all of lil Nicky's dirty tricks.  Maybe y'all will both get the death penalty at the same time.  That would be sweet.   
3  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: If I asked you who had the mortgage on your house, wouldn't you know?... on: Yesterday at 10:37:52 AM
I also have no mortgage, but when I did I was very aware a local bank sold it immediately to Countrywide when I did, and I closely monitored it.  I also paid extra whenever I could and paid it off early and was hyper-aware of my total accumulated interest as I went along.  Just switched from MetLife after 14 years to State Farm as MetLife was sticking it to me on auto insurance.  Now paying more for home insurance, but far less for auto so that I am saving $600 plus a year total.  Just by coincidence, since my insurance wasn't due for four more months I got an instant refund for about the amount of my annual savings on my credit card which was very nice.

I did do one silly thing last year.  I had a house cleaner and she moved my $512 state income tax refund to the bottom shelf of my coffee table.  And it sat there.  For 7+ months.  I finally remembered that I hadn't cashed it, couldn't find it,  and applied for a new check.  They told me to wait 30 days and then file the paperwork, but in the meantime I found it buried under a stack of books she had moved and cashed it that same day.

And I know...electronic deposit.  But bammer charges $20 for that "privilege" and my attitude was  .  But you know what?  This year I paid the $20.   
4  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: for those of you worried about Florida blowing out CSU on: September 17, 2018, 06:18:51 EDT
Vols win at home...

5  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: In case you missed the Braves game today... on: September 16, 2018, 10:46:09 EDT
Ah, but baseball's "advanced metrics" say that Freeman is more productive swinging for the RF wall and making an out 85% of the time, than trying to poke it through the left side and reaching first base 70% of the time. Because if he pulls it, sometimes it'll go for extra bases. That's the theory, anyway.

Analytics don't like.

Maybe Butch should switch to baseball.   
6  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: Some College football observations after 3 weeks on: September 16, 2018, 10:45:18 EDT
* SEC is getting tougher. Not only are the powerhouses better (Bama, UGA), but so are the doormats (UK, Vandy). UF and UT may be the worst 2 teams in the SECE. Who would have thought that could happen? The thing is UT is actually better too.
* Bama's a machine. Hate them, but no one is beating them. No one.
* Trevor Lawrence can play - hate we didn't get him
* Biggest disappointments so far: FSU, Nebraska, UCLA, Arizona, Arkansas - they all have one thing in common
* JG is going to be a really good player for us. I can see this UT team being very good in 2 years. There is a lot of young SEC level talent, and CJP is recruiting well.
* Drew Richmond should sit. He personally was responsible for two lack of scores by UT. He is not good.
* Ohio state is vastly overrated, as is the Big 10. They usually are.
* UT's return game is not very good, someone needs to do some work there.
* More downfield throws please.
* UT's 4 RBs are pretty good, I like what we are doing there. Need a stud RB in this class too.
* Florida could be the only SEC win for us. Must win. SC, UK, and Vandy will likely be favored against us, if we can somehow win a couple there then we have had a successful season.
* Jarrett Stidham is very average. Auburn wins with D, and their lack of offense hurt them vs LSU
* Best 4 teams in the country right now to me: Bama, UGA, Clemson, Oklahoma
* Pac 12 is really bad this year. Washington and Oregon are likely the two best teams. Neither will make the playoffs.

Been hearing this from multiple sources and saw a couple of his whiffs myself.  Don't understand, he was a legit 5 star coming out of Memphis.  One of the biggest busts on our team apparently.  Maybe just a kid that doesn't have the fire in his belly?   

If somehow he could start living up to his potential it would obviously fill a very critical need for us, but at this point it may be too late.   
7  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: I'm really glad that Mike Hamilton... on: September 16, 2018, 09:26:16 EDT
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/7wd_L3ejXIs" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/v/7wd_L3ejXIs</a>


8  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: Saban usually isn't one to run up the score... on: September 16, 2018, 09:25:56 EDT
Recruiting is important, no doubt. But in my opinion there is more to Saban's success than just that.

Right.  Not saying Saban isn't good at other aspects, and in fairness I forgot to mention he is also top shelf at developing talent, of the best if not the best around. 

But...saying that in strategy/tactics, about like any other really good coach out there.  And yes, we can point to his five NCs at bammer, and I will redirect to his performance at LSU, where his recruiting was not unusually good and his record was commensurate with that.  In other words, his record was more like Malzahn is today.  Which is my point.

Furthermore even Gene Chizik won the NC with a loaded team.  Nuff said! 
9  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: Game Thread: UTEP on: September 16, 2018, 09:23:13 EDT
To be fair, today's game wasn't really "close". Maybe the final score was closer than we'd like, but it's not like we were ever in danger of losing- this wasn't a UMass-type game. Plus, between turnovers, penalties, and a terrible replay review, we left at least 2 TDs on the field, probably more. And all of those things are easily fixable. We outgained them 512-134, so the score would've been much more lopsided if we had just played cleanly. I'm not reading too much into this game.

But I AM reading a lot into what our future opponents are doing. UK won by double digits in Gainesville. Vandy gave ND all they could handle in South Bend. We'll be decided underdogs to both. And though we don't really know much about Mizzou as of yet, I DO know what happened when we played the only other pass-heavy team on our schedule two weeks ago. So I don't feel so good about that one, either. And those are our three "easiest" games remianing (besides Charlotte).

It looks like the two worst teams in the SEC (other than us ) are Arkansas and Ole Miss. We miss them both this year, natch.

Spot on.  In fact, the lengthy post above by me is mostly redundant but I didn't see yours first. 

Andi I definitely agree about the November opponents.  Definitely with the exception of UF, the softest SEC teams on our schedule.  But not as soft as they used to be.  Will be tough to beat them all, but like Vinnie I still think we can.

For on thing, Mizzou had no defense yesterday and I find our offense encouraging compared to last years (I know thats faint praise, but it is HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION).

Furthermore I see Pruitt constantly trying to coach the kids up and having a history of being able to.  And I am banking that it will pay dividends in November.  We will see, but I have a very strong hunch that whatever his other characteristics, Pruitt will be >>>>> Jones on player development.  I see some glints of it already.  JG much bettter, Gooden playing well, week to week improvement in the DBs, etc.    Long way to go, but cautiously optimistic we will be much improved in November.
10  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: Game Thread: UTEP on: September 16, 2018, 09:18:35 EDT
The very fact that you can't put much stock in blowing out teams like ETSU and UTEP is exactly why you should be concerned when you can't blow those teams out. When a team like UTEP is consistently getting stops at the line of scrimmage or in the backfield, that's an issue. Yes, we were able to run on UTEP...on the edge. We couldn't run between the tackles at all. You can bet your bottom dollar that we won't be able to run with that same consistency on the edge against any SEC defense.

Here's the deal: We rank 13th out of 14 teams in total offense, despite playing UTEP, ETSU and a West Virginia defense that ranked 106th in the nation last year. (They're 55th so far this year, mostly because we only put up 301 on them...they gave up 392 to mighty Youngstown State.)

If you're looking for a silver lining, the only SEC team ranking behind us in total offense is Florida, and the Gators only put up 341 on Colorado State yesterday. I just don't think we're ready to compete with UF. If we are, great. I'll be happy to eat that crow. But I'm not sure we can score on them, even as atrocious as their run D has been.

We easily beat them with a shizzlety effort no matter what the final score was, is all I am saying.  Had it gone down to the wire and we gave up 21 points, I would elbow you out of the way and be at the front of the concerned line.  But this game was never really in suspense IMO.
11  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: for those of you worried about Florida blowing out CSU on: September 16, 2018, 09:15:16 EDT
Florida is not a good team right now. Talk about an upside-down universe, Tennessee and Florida may actually be the worst two teams in the SEC East. That Colorado State game was closer than the score indicated. Florida only had 341 yards of offense, and that included a 68-yard run late in the fourth quarter. Take that away, and UF manages fewer than 300 yards of offense against Colorado State. Yeah, 48-10 looks impressive but that game was 27-10 going into the fourth quarter. Franks is not throwing the ball well.

They should be ripe for the taking...but I don't think we're ready to compete. They'll eat our O-line for lunch. Much was made of Florida's porous run defense through the first two games of the season, but one take-away from the Colorado State game was the Gators' much-improved run defense. CoState averaged 1.7 ypc.

Unfortunately I agree with you that we are just as sorry as UF, maybe more sorry and they will be a tough out. 

I do take solace in the fact that we beat them soundly in 2016 and they were lucky - EXTREMELY LUCKY - to pull out the wins in 2015 and 2017.  In short, IMO the momentum in the series favors us.

Most important, while I defended Butch longer than most, the 2015 and 2017 defeats are squarely at his feet IMO.  Let's see how Pruitt handles a lead in the 4th, if we are fortunate enough to have one.  I suspect he will be better at it than Butch.  Heck, a rock wearing a hat would be better.   
12  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: for those of you worried about Florida blowing out CSU on: September 16, 2018, 07:51:18 EDT
And oh yeah...if you're wondering how CSU managed to beat Arkansas, Arkansas lost to N Texas State 31-10.  And the W at Arkansas is CSUs only win.   
13  Sports / VTTW Message Board / for those of you worried about Florida blowing out CSU on: September 16, 2018, 07:46:46 EDT
Aside from the fact that CSU blows chunks, the offensive stats are pretty even except for number of lost fumbles and the score, and those two are closely related.  Franks was 8/15 for a measly 119 yards, threw a pick, and had a QBR of 23.0.

Take away the turnovers and it would be  much closer game. 

Florida did run for 222 yards.  Maybe they can run on us, IDK.  Guess we will find out.
14  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: I'm really glad that Mike Hamilton... on: September 16, 2018, 07:36:59 EDT
Hamilton did a lot more than just that.  Unfortunately.   
15  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: Saban usually isn't one to run up the score... on: September 16, 2018, 07:36:18 EDT
What he is saying is what I have been saying for years.  Saban's success is really at recruiting.  It's very true, and multiple people are pointing out this very obvious fact, not just this guy.

Now I think his choice of words was unwise in just stating flatly that Saban is overated.   I heard a discussion of this on national talk radio a few weeks ago, and the caller was saying exactly what this columnist said.  The host said he couldn't agree that Saban was over rated or not a great coach because recruiting is important and thus even if Saban relies on recruiting it doesn't make him a "not great or over rated" coach.  The host said how he would phrase is that Saban might be over rated as a strategist or game day tactician, but that recruiting trumps both of those.  And I agree completely with that assessment.

And BDV...I doubt saban even noticed the column. 
16  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: In case you missed the Braves game today... on: September 16, 2018, 07:30:11 EDT
Walks AND strikeouts seem to be up dramatically across MLB.

My theory is that it has lot to do with modern defensive deployments. When you're shifting the infield for nearly every hitter, the pitcher is under more pressure to nibble at the corners so the ball is hit to the desired side. When they're not hitting their spots...they walk 14 guys.

Meanwhile, hitters are increasingly trying to hit the ball OVER the shift rather than away from it. This is why BS stats like launch angle and exit velocity have become a thing. Thus, they're swinging and missing far more often.

If you couldn't tell, I don't really like what the modern game has become.

I hardly watch or follow baseball at all, but what you describe above sounds actually more interesting to me than the "classic game".   
17  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: Game Thread: UTEP on: September 16, 2018, 07:28:18 EDT
That's just the problem. This was a scrimmage team, and we could manage only a field goal in the first quarter, only 10 points in the first half...a mediocre FCS team scored more on that bunch IN THEIR STADIUM than we scored on them today in our place. That's embarrassing. This is the worst Tennessee offense I can ever recall.

Wow.  Battered Vol syndrome in full effect for sure.  Sigh.

Okay. Remember your post below that criticized some of the Vol callers for reading too much into the ETSU game?  You are doing the same thing on this game only from the other side.  You are overemphasizing the importance of the final score, as if Tennessee ever actually felt threatened by UTEP.  Believe me they did not.

Worst Tennessee offense you can every recall?  Really?  We averaged 6.9 yards per carry on the ground.  They basically couldn't stop us.  Run game so effective that - subtracting a kneel down and two sacks - we ran the ball a whopping 47 times and only bothered to throw 19 times, 16 of them by Guarantono.   

They didn't stop us, we stopped ourselves with stupid penalties and a TO inside the one.  Take away that TO and a few key penalties and we score 2 or 3 more TDs.

And here's the deal...penalties are correctable..  We didn't have too many the first two games.

I'm not saying there isn't anything to be concerned about.  It's disgraceful that we gave up two sacks to UTEP (though I think one of those is on JG for holding the ball too long). I attribute the low score to lack of focus and intensity, which in itself could be a big problem going forward. Then again - it was UTEP.  Our players should not have acted like all they had to do was show up, but actually that was pretty much true.

The stupid penalties are concerning. OL play was again atrocious at times, and our RBs made a lot of those yards on their own.  And again, no excuse for giving up a sack.  Calloway played very badly on PRs for the most part.   Their WRs were open many times but their QB seems to throw worse than me, and that's really not much of an exaggeration.

Backing up to my original point, I think we easily could have scored 3 more TDs today without some obvious and easily correctable mistakes, and a good deal more motivation.  It certainly wasn't lack of talent as no matter how many of you think our talent is beaten down, we exceed UTEPs talent by an extremely large margin.

If you shouldn't read too much into last weeks' 59 points, you shouldn't read too much into this week's 24 points.  You can't have it both ways. 

18  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: A couple times during our endless coaching search... on: September 16, 2018, 02:07:43 EDT
I never wanted Chad Morris.

The surprise new coach so far in the other direction for me is the MSU guy.  He has done really well so far, but it's early.
19  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: Don't look now, but... on: September 16, 2018, 02:04:53 EDT
...next year's "big" OOC opponent BYU just won at #6 Wisconsin. I don't know how much they have coming back, but that looks like a loss for us at first glance.

lol!  Get in line, be negative early.   
20  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: Game Thread: UTEP on: September 16, 2018, 02:03:34 EDT
There is absolutely no way to put lipstick on this pig right now. Anyone who tries to extol the positives of todayís game is grasping at straws.

No one is putting any lipstick on pigs.  Just not going to read too much into this game one way or the other.  It was just a scrimmage.  Not going to get too excited about it. 
21  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: Game Thread: UTEP on: September 15, 2018, 10:01:00 EDT
If this were high school football I would say we might get mercy-ruled in all 8 SEC games. As it is, Iím afraid we might wish that CFB had a mercy rule. 

Meh.  Lackluster effort today still a 24-0 snoozer, and UTEP was running the shot clock down every play.  Could have been much better today, but truer test against the gators next week.

they suxes also BTW   
22  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: A couple times during our endless coaching search... on: September 15, 2018, 09:58:44 EDT
we definitely could have done worse than Pruitt
23  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: After having seen the Vols play 2 games, does anyone have a clue as to how on: September 14, 2018, 05:58:31 EDT
I'd say losing 12 of the last 13 against the Gators has something to do with it.

It would if it was a human poll, but I've read up on the ESPN FPI program and it only goes back 12 games.  It weights more recent games a bit more, but is still factoring in last season at this point.  Later this year previous season games won't matter much if at all.

But it doesn't go back 13 years.   
24  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: After having seen the Vols play 2 games, does anyone have a clue as to how on: September 13, 2018, 09:14:16 EDT
ESPN FPI says our best chance is UK at 48.1%, but we were favored against them last week.  I guess beating Florida pumped them up.


Not worried.  I like our chances with the gators in a week or so, and FPI rating of gators shows the limits of computer models, or at any rate the one ESPN uses.  They rely too heavily on past performance.  Florida is likely still getting credit for beating us last year and keeping some of their big games closer.
25  Sports / VTTW Message Board / Re: 9/11... on: September 13, 2018, 04:50:09 EDT
Finished up reading, only got halfway through yesterday.  Still think Card erred in not returning to Washington earlier, and really shocked the Prez didn't just overide him.  Also think the Major flying the plane got a bit too big for his britches. 

Also think some of the principals speaking were pretty wussed out.  One guy said it was chilling to see the President walk into a concrete bunker in Offut.  Really?  You should be glad he's safe!  Man up!  And throughout, they were shocked, it was awful. They were confused.  They were worried.  Aren't they (press on board aside) the professionals paid to deal with this type of crisis.  Soft.  So soft. 

I was personally shocked but only briefly. I was on vacation in Mexico at the time, and only heard about it about 30 or so minutes in.  My girlfriend told me about it (someone had called her) and we turned on the TV in the condo we were staying in, and within seconds the first building fell.  That was shocking. I of course knew about the 1993 attack and I said "well they got it this time".  And for a few minutes I was just stunned. And then...I was over it!  Just like that.  I just wanted to get my hands on a terrorist - any terrorist.  I was in Puerta Vallarto, one of the better places in Mexico, and didn't know how long it would take to get a flight, but hey, worse places to be stuck, right?  As it turns out, 911 was on a Tuesday and my Saturday flight only got delayed a day.  So on that Sunday as I was in line for the flight, a couple from New York was behind me,and I could tell they were upset.  We spoke and they talked about how shocking it would be for them to land in New York and not see the towers.  I had my federal passport (I work for Uncle Same)  with me as I had never bothered to get personal passport,and they asked me if I thought our plane would be attacked ( I think they thought I was with federal security lol!).  I replied "if they do it won't work".  And that was my attitude.  I would go after the sunsubitches if they tried.  I didn't understand all the people - or maybe it was just the media - in the weeks after curled up into a little ball as if there was a terrorist under every rock.  I cringed watching the folks on CNBC worry about their damned investments, like all that mattered was money. I cringed again when W begged people to go out and spend as if that was all that mattered.  But though the attacks were bad, IMO they were a blip compared to the totality of WW II.  The bloodiness of the civil war.  To a lesser extent WW I, and heck just about any real war we have ever fought.

It was shocking to see it happen in our biggest city and include the Pentagon in DC, but at the end of the day it was 3000-4000 deaths and some infrastructure damage.  Our country has survived far worse.  It was more of a PR victory for them than anything else.  And then we immediately went into Afghanistan and WHIPPED THEIR ASSES.   Was proud of that.  Later detour to Iraq, not so much.

But bottom line...I agree with BDV in that we have way too many soft people in this country.  Resolve was stiffened in 2001 but is slacking again.  But we will persevere I have no doubt. 
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