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« Reply #25 on: October 15, 2012, 04:13:27 EDT »



Or maybe I should just ask you to explain what the intent of the emoticon was in that post.
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« Reply #26 on: October 15, 2012, 04:32:54 EDT »

Or maybe I should just ask you to explain what the intent of the emoticon was in that post.
Why?  You would just misinterpret my response ...
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« Reply #27 on: October 15, 2012, 04:41:56 EDT »

Why?  You would just misinterpret my response ...

I certainly interpreted the emoticon in a certain way. What's one more (mis)interpretation? If you aren't willing to expand, maybe the first response was better left unposted.
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« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2012, 06:54:27 EDT »

One other thing Revolver...it's one thing to talk about needing a change, it's another thing to do it right.  We definitely didn't do it right last time.  The fanbase was demanding a change and Hamilton caved, but he was completely unprepared to replace Fulmer.  I still remember privately shaking my head at the hiring of Kiffin. I didn't post much against him, but let me put it this way now, would anyone run Fulmer off now for DOOLEY, or even KIFFIN?  I sure as hell wouldn't.

So in terms of our current coaching situation, we had better have something pretty good to come in and replace Dooley.  If what we get isn't much better, then don't bother.  It might not seem challenging to replace Dooley, and perhaps it's not.  But I think the standard we need to use is, we need to get someone that is a worthy replacement for FULMER.  That is, go back and do right what should have been done better to begin with.

And let me add....I think a big....no HUGE part of the problem was that Hamilton was cowed by public opinion and acted out of fear and not what was actually the best thing to do.

Clay Travis points out that a lot of programs are probably shopping for coaches this year.  So it's going to be tough to get a big name, maybe.

So should we get another bargain bin coach just to say we are replacing Dooley, or if prospects look better, should we wait till next year even if the best he can do is likely now 7-5?

This is a legitimite question.  I am okay with or without a coaching change, but if done, it dam well better be a big name.
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« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2012, 01:50:47 EDT »

One other thing Revolver...it's one thing to talk about needing a change, it's another thing to do it right.  We definitely didn't do it right last time.  The fanbase was demanding a change and Hamilton caved, but he was completely unprepared to replace Fulmer.  I still remember privately shaking my head at the hiring of Kiffin. I didn't post much against him, but let me put it this way now, would anyone run Fulmer off now for DOOLEY, or even KIFFIN?  I sure as hell wouldn't.

So in terms of our current coaching situation, we had better have something pretty good to come in and replace Dooley.  If what we get isn't much better, then don't bother.  It might not seem challenging to replace Dooley, and perhaps it's not.  But I think the standard we need to use is, we need to get someone that is a worthy replacement for FULMER.  That is, go back and do right what should have been done better to begin with.

And let me add....I think a big....no HUGE part of the problem was that Hamilton was cowed by public opinion and acted out of fear and not what was actually the best thing to do.

Clay Travis points out that a lot of programs are probably shopping for coaches this year.  So it's going to be tough to get a big name, maybe.

So should we get another bargain bin coach just to say we are replacing Dooley, or if prospects look better, should we wait till next year even if the best he can do is likely now 7-5?

This is a legitimite question.  I am okay with or without a coaching change, but if done, it dam well better be a big name.

Clay Travis? Haha... Who cares what Clay Travis thinks?

I'm weary of the debate. Everybody knows where I stand. I agree that it's time for a home run hire.
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« Reply #30 on: October 15, 2012, 01:57:34 EDT »

One other thing Revolver...it's one thing to talk about needing a change, it's another thing to do it right.  We definitely didn't do it right last time.  The fanbase was demanding a change and Hamilton caved, but he was completely unprepared to replace Fulmer.  I still remember privately shaking my head at the hiring of Kiffin. I didn't post much against him, but let me put it this way now, would anyone run Fulmer off now for DOOLEY, or even KIFFIN?  I sure as hell wouldn't.

So in terms of our current coaching situation, we had better have something pretty good to come in and replace Dooley.  If what we get isn't much better, then don't bother.  It might not seem challenging to replace Dooley, and perhaps it's not.  But I think the standard we need to use is, we need to get someone that is a worthy replacement for FULMER.  That is, go back and do right what should have been done better to begin with.

And let me add....I think a big....no HUGE part of the problem was that Hamilton was cowed by public opinion and acted out of fear and not what was actually the best thing to do.

Clay Travis points out that a lot of programs are probably shopping for coaches this year.  So it's going to be tough to get a big name, maybe.

So should we get another bargain bin coach just to say we are replacing Dooley, or if prospects look better, should we wait till next year even if the best he can do is likely now 7-5?

This is a legitimite question.  I am okay with or without a coaching change, but if done, it dam well better be a big name.

Glad to see you come around.   
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« Reply #31 on: October 15, 2012, 03:09:30 EDT »

Clay Travis? Haha... Who cares what Clay Travis thinks?

I'm weary of the debate. Everybody knows where I stand. I agree that it's time for a home run hire.
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« Reply #33 on: October 15, 2012, 03:40:28 EDT »

Miss State's avg recruiting ranking over the last three years = 35th. 
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« Reply #34 on: October 15, 2012, 03:55:53 EDT »



Well, it's obvious you don't think my posts are hilarious. Passive aggression is not very becoming, FWIW.
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« Reply #35 on: October 15, 2012, 04:18:20 EDT »

Clay Travis? Haha... Who cares what Clay Travis thinks?



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« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2012, 04:32:42 EDT »

Miss State's avg recruiting ranking over the last three years = 35th. 

Seems like MSU's players are getting Coached up(UT needs some of that!)and are learning.
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« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2012, 04:42:45 EDT »

Glad to see you come around.   

I am not calling for a coaching change, if that's what you mean.  But if it comes, do it right.

Frankly, some of the fans that were so anxious to run Fulmer off in early 2007 are getting exactly what they deserve.   
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« Reply #38 on: October 15, 2012, 04:48:00 EDT »

I am not calling for a coaching change, if that's what you mean.  But if it comes, do it right.

Frankly, some of the fans that were so anxious to run Fulmer off in early 2007 are getting exactly what they deserve.   

Couldn't agree more on Fulmer.  It now seems like a colossal mistake, to me.  And we're on the same page in that the coaching change needs to be done right.  There is some hope in that at least we know it won't be Hammy doing the hiring.
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« Reply #39 on: October 15, 2012, 05:19:31 EDT »

I trust Hart to handle the hiring correctly.  He has to have a big name hire already signed, sealed and delivered before Dooley is let go.  To let Dooley go without having someone else already hired is a monumental mistake, imo.  I'd rather have Dooley for another year than to have to settle (again).
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« Reply #40 on: October 15, 2012, 05:22:26 EDT »

Well, it's obvious you don't think my posts are hilarious. Passive aggression is not very becoming, FWIW.
a new favorite phrase?
The response (  ) the other night was sarcasm since I deleted a long post that explained some things but figured it would just add another crease in your hair.

This one I Truly thought your post was funny as hell.  You don't give a damn about Clay's position but you seemed to expect that all cared for yours.

BTW ...
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« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2012, 05:30:25 EDT »

a new favorite phrase?
The response (  ) the other night was sarcasm since I deleted a long post that explained some things but figured it would just add another crease in your hair.

This one I Truly thought your post was funny as hell.  You don't give a damn about Clay's position but you seemed to expect that all cared for yours.

BTW ...

The bolded part is absolutely laughable. I couldn't care less what you or anybody else thinks about my opinions.

Clay Travis is a troll on the radio and Internet who just says whatever he can to get the most reaction / hits / page views. His opinions are irrelevant, just like mine. And just like yours.
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« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2012, 07:06:59 EDT »

Couldn't agree more on Fulmer.  It now seems like a colossal mistake, to me.  And we're on the same page in that the coaching change needs to be done right.  There is some hope in that at least we know it won't be Hammy doing the hiring.

It was handled badly, but just because neither of the successors were the right choice to replace him doesn't mean it was a mistake to fire him.

But Hamilton really screwed it up.
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« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2012, 07:43:03 EDT »



But Hamilton really screwed it up.
THAT we can agree on
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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2012, 08:08:00 EDT »

It was handled badly, but just because neither of the successors were the right choice to replace him doesn't mean it was a mistake to fire him.

But Hamilton really screwed it up.

I'd rather have what we had then what we have now.  Jmo
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« Reply #45 on: October 15, 2012, 08:10:54 EDT »

Couldn't agree more on Fulmer.  It now seems like a colossal mistake, to me.  And we're on the same page in that the coaching change needs to be done right.  There is some hope in that at least we know it won't be Hammy doing the hiring.

Disagree. Fulmer had to go. The mistake was in hiring Kiffin to replace him. Personally, I wish we'd fired Fulmer in 2002 and went after Spurrier.

 

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« Reply #46 on: October 15, 2012, 08:18:31 EDT »

1) I love Fulmer, but believe he had to go. Hamilton should never have signed him to the extension, but even with that there was no choice.

2) Kiffin has a good hire from an on-field performance perspective. He was an awful hire otherwise.

3) Dooley has done a good job cleaning, and had he hired a good DC (it doesn't appear Sunseri is a fit) we'd be fine. Unfortunately things do not appear fine. I agree with comparisons of Sunseri and Clawson.
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« Reply #47 on: October 15, 2012, 08:28:05 EDT »

I'd rather have what we had then what we have now.  Jmo

I would too, but that's a dangerous slope. Looking back is rarely good. The fault was in the hires to replace Fulmer, not the decision to move on.
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« Reply #48 on: October 15, 2012, 08:32:26 EDT »

I know I will get chastised for listening to him...but...Mark Howard says he thinks Hart pushed Dooley to hire Sunseri.  I did not like Wilcox but would prefer him to this mess we have now.
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« Reply #49 on: October 15, 2012, 08:34:38 EDT »

I know I will get chastised for listening to him...but...Mark Howard says he thinks Hart pushed Dooley to hire Sunseri.  I did not like Wilcox but would prefer him to this mess we have now.

Chastise, chastise, chastise!

That rumor has been out there for a while. Even before the season I heard that it's possible that Hart wanted Sunseri so he'd have somebody to keep on board when he fires Dooley and hires Kirby Smart.  I think all that is Internet fodder made convenient by the fact that Hart was at Alabama. I don't really think ADs or assistant ADs have very close relationships with position coaches on a football staff.
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