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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2012, 12:15:29 EDT »

I view Gruden as definitely solid, but very view guys are definitely going to kill it. Saban at Bama was guaranteed as was Petrino at Arkansas. Brown at Texas was. Fulmer and Stoops were assistants who were close to locks, but there are very few sure things.

I think Leach at WSU is guaranteed to do well there by Cougar standards. Dungy and Cowher are sure-fire winners, but I'm not sure Gruden is in their class. That having been said I'll back him and be interested to see what he can do IF he comes on board.

Hey, I wait three years to grade pretty much every coach.
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2012, 12:17:25 EDT »

Ugh!  $6.2million per year for a guy who has never been a head coach in college football.  Yes, he was a quarterbacks and wide receivers coach in college, and he must have done some recruiting, but that was what, 23 or 24 years ago?  His overall record in the NFL as head coach was 95-81.  I know, I know, he won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay, but his overall record there was just 57-55.  I really don't see the appeal, other than the "celebrity" factor.  I just don't see the coaching appeal, but I have never viewed him as being exceptional in coaching in any way.  When Kiffin and Dooley were hired, neither were in my top 5 choices.  If he's hired, Gruden will join that club.  But, if he becomes a Vol, again, I will certainly wish him the best.  He's going to need it with kind of money at stake.

Without a doubt he is better than what UT has. That's all I have right now.
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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2012, 12:18:21 EDT »

I view Gruden as definitely solid, but very view guys are definitely going to kill it. Saban at Bama was guaranteed as was Petrino at Arkansas. Brown at Texas was. Fulmer and Stoops were assistants who were close to locks, but there are very few sure things.

I think Leach at WSU is guaranteed to do well there by Cougar standards. Dungy and Cowher are sure-fire winners, but I'm not sure Gruden is in their class. That having been said I'll back him and be interested to see what he can do IF he comes on board.

Hey, I wait three years to grade pretty much every coach.

Dungy and Gruden are very similar if not for Peyton.
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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2012, 12:20:50 EDT »

Do you remember the swell of hype that came when Saban arrived at Bama?  I remember thinking "huh, he hasn't done shizzle".. but it's almost like their was such an injection of confidence into that program that it willed it to a new level.  Time will only tell if Gruden could do the same for us, but logic says it just might.

Saban was 34–24–1 at Michigan State and 48-16 at LSU prior to becoming head coach at bama.  Not spectacular, but very successful and certainly a solid college head coaching foundation.  I hated it when he went to bama, since I assumed the school's football history and usual recruiting base would make him even more successful.
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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2012, 12:22:33 EDT »

Saban was 34–24–1 at Michigan State and 48-16 at LSU prior to becoming head coach at bama.  Not spectacular, but very successful and certainly a solid college head coaching foundation.  I hated it when he went to bama, since I assumed the school's football history and usual recruiting base would make him even more successful.

Pete Carroll is a better comparison than Saban, except Gruden had more NFL success than Carroll.
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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2012, 12:24:18 EDT »

Without a doubt he is better than what UT has. That's all I have right now.

Probably, even if just because I think he would set up a better staff and would recruit better based on his name recognition.  But, that's a lot of money for someone I consider to be a so-so head coach.  I sure hope his ego lets him delegate because he has never impressed me with any coaching smarts.
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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2012, 12:29:22 EDT »

Probably, even if just because I think he would set up a better staff and would recruit better based on his name recognition.  But, that's a lot of money for someone I consider to be a so-so head coach.  I sure hope his ego lets him delegate because he has never impressed me with any coaching smarts.

Well salaries have escalated greatly. My hope is that his problems at Tampa were due to personnel issues. He was pretty good in Oakland.

He does bring credibility and a name that recruits know. I'm not sure who else they should hire.
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« Reply #32 on: October 25, 2012, 12:30:14 EDT »

Pete Carroll is a better comparison than Saban, except Gruden had more NFL success than Carroll.

But will Gruden cheat as well as Carroll did?    Hey, if he's hired I hope Gruden goes undefeated every year and is ultimately considered a college football head coaching genious.  I have just never seen it displayed in his NFL head coaching jobs to date.  Then again, I am on the bottom rung of even the most novice football knowledge ladder, so....   
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« Reply #33 on: October 25, 2012, 12:36:55 EDT »

But will Gruden cheat as well as Carroll did? 

I sure hope so. ;)
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« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2012, 12:37:54 EDT »

Probably, even if just because I think he would set up a better staff and would recruit better based on his name recognition.  But, that's a lot of money for someone I consider to be a so-so head coach.  I sure hope his ego lets him delegate because he has never impressed me with any coaching smarts.
Well, compared to all the ancient, broke down QBs he brought into Tampa Bray would be cosidered a mobile QB
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« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2012, 12:38:48 EDT »

Well, compared to all the ancient, broke down QBs he brought into Tampa Bray would be cosidered a mobile QB

No way Bray plays a down next year IMO.
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« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2012, 12:40:16 EDT »

Ugh!  $6.2million per year for a guy who has never been a head coach in college football.  Yes, he was a quarterbacks and wide receivers coach in college, and he must have done some recruiting, but that was what, 23 or 24 years ago?  His overall record in the NFL as head coach was 95-81.  I know, I know, he won a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay, but his overall record there was just 57-55.  I really don't see the appeal, other than the "celebrity" factor.  I just don't see the coaching appeal, but I have never viewed him as being exceptional in coaching in any way.  When Kiffin and Dooley were hired, neither were in my top 5 choices.  If he's hired, Gruden will join that club.  But, if he becomes a Vol, again, I will certainly wish him the best.  He's going to need it with kind of money at stake.
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« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2012, 12:44:43 EDT »

No way Bray plays a down next year IMO.
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« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2012, 12:45:40 EDT »

Thanks for raining on our parade. You remind me of this guy.  

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« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2012, 12:47:44 EDT »

Thanks for raining on our parade.

Sorry, man.  I'll try to be more positive if/when he's hired.  I have just never understood the hype.  Hopefully, if he's hired he'll make me understand.   
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« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2012, 12:49:39 EDT »

Sorry, man.  I'll try to be more positive if/when he's hired.  I have just never understood the hype.  Hopefully, if he's hired he'll make me understand.   
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« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2012, 04:19:09 EDT »

Gruden will be successful. He will be able to recruit like gangbusters, and football is all about getting talent. That is how Saban wins.

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« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2012, 04:19:47 EDT »

  But, that's a lot of money for someone I consider to be a so-so head coach. 

I would say he's at least above average, but otherwise agree.

OTOH, there is a rumor that Gruden is about to be hired and a rumor about the amount.  Either or both could be true or not.
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