New Data coming Out

[EmerilVOL]

Apparently Martin's agent told Cuonzo to not sign the extension until the buyout was reduced below 750K.  Apparently Hart was doing his level best ot mkae sure Martin recompensed UT if he bolted in the next two years.  Cuonzo was worried about the buyout to the extreme and this is evident in Hart's statements as well......

Martin was gonna bolt no matter what and the "its all the fans fault" BS is purely smokescreen by the spinmeisters that Martin is talking to.  Yeah the Pearl petition was a distraction, but unlike midtnvol I think you have to have on the court success as well as running a clean program and selling the program as well.  Pearl did get that, Martin apparently was Derek Dooley times 2 in that he went days during the offseason not talking to his STAFF.  Not only the AD but his STAFF.  So if that is the case I think Martin thought he was another Gene Keady!!!

[BanditVol]

Apparently Martin's agent told Cuonzo to not sign the extension until the buyout was reduced below 750K.  Apparently Hart was doing his level best ot mkae sure Martin recompensed UT if he bolted in the next two years.  Cuonzo was worried about the buyout to the extreme and this is evident in Hart's statements as well......

Martin was gonna bolt no matter what and the "its all the fans fault" BS is purely smokescreen by the spinmeisters that Martin is talking to.  Yeah the Pearl petition was a distraction, but unlike midtnvol I think you have to have on the court success as well as running a clean program and selling the program as well.  Pearl did get that, Martin apparently was Derek Dooley times 2 in that he went days during the offseason not talking to his STAFF.  Not only the AD but his STAFF.  So if that is the case I think Martin thought he was another Gene Keady!!!

Oh come on.  How could the petition NOT be a factor?  Are you seriously claiming that?

[PirateVOL]

Oh come on.  How could the petition NOT be a factor?  Are you seriously claiming that?

if it was, the little boy needs to go back to a little school.

[BanditVol]

if it was, the little boy needs to go back to a little school.

What about the players?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2014/04/15/cuonzo-martin-california-bears-tennessee/7740323/


Tennessee players said they heard all the criticism and the chatter from the "bring back Pearl" movement.

Senior guard Jordan McRae tweeted: "Can't treat people any kind of way and expect good in return.​" Senior forward Jeronne Maymon tweeted: "Not even surprised... It was just a matter of time! #RESPECT"

In the scale of things, I will give more weight to what those two say than any amount of fans.

And anyone having a problem with this statement:

Despite the recent success, Martin's tenure at Tennessee was marked by criticism and dissatisfaction from many in the fan base.

Is not dealing in reality, because it's a simple statement of fact.  Or do you or anyone disagree?  Was there criticism and dissatisfaction with Martin?  On the other hand, there isn't any criticism of fans in this statement.  Some fans might read that in I suppose.  I won't speculate "why" they would take the above as a criticism, but I could.   

[Clockwork Orange]

Fans are critical and demanding. If this is problem enough for Cuonzo that he has to leave his job, then he doesn't need to be coaching at the highest levels because he doesn't have the stomach for it.

I think it was more about Hart having no confidence in him than it was the fans. I'm also not convinced Cuonzo was ever enamored with being here in the first place.

[Creek Walker]

Fans are critical and demanding. If this is problem enough for Cuonzo that he has to leave his job, then he doesn't need to be coaching at the highest levels because he doesn't have the stomach for it.

I think it was more about Hart having no confidence in him than it was the fans. I'm also not convinced Cuonzo was ever enamored with being here in the first place.

Yes.

[BanditVol]

Fans are critical and demanding. If this is problem enough for Cuonzo that he has to leave his job, then he doesn't need to be coaching at the highest levels because he doesn't have the stomach for it.

I think it was more about Hart having no confidence in him than it was the fans. I'm also not convinced Cuonzo was ever enamored with being here in the first place.

Criticism is part of the job, no doubt.

Signing a petition to bring back Pearl during the season....not so much.

[HerbTarlekVol]

I'm also not convinced Cuonzo was ever enamored with being here in the first place.

I believe this to be the most accurate point in the entire situation.  It's my belief that Cuonzo took the UT job because of the substantial pay increase (in the neighborhood of $1 million per year more than he was being paid at Mizzou State) and only because of the pay increase.  I haven't seen/heard anything to make be believe that he had any intentions of being here long term.  It was a payday and a stepping stone from the get go. 

[VinnieVOL]

Criticism is part of the job, no doubt.

Signing a petition to bring back Pearl during the season....not so much.

I didn't necessarily agree with the petition (didn't sign it).  Mainly because I thought it was silly, not necessarily because "we shouldn't do that to Cuonzo".  That being said, I understood it.  You gotta admit, the Pearl and Tennessee situation couldn't be more unique.  Heck, I'm still heartbroken he's not at TN anymore.  He's a passionate guy and he brought out a fiery passion in our fan base.  The petition didn't surprise me a bit.  And like I said, I didn't really agree with it, I understood it.

[RockinGrannyVol]

Fans are critical and demanding. If this is problem enough for Cuonzo that he has to leave his job, then he doesn't need to be coaching at the highest levels because he doesn't have the stomach for it.

I think it was more about Hart having no confidence in him than it was the fans. I'm also not convinced Cuonzo was ever enamored with being here in the first place.

Exactly

[Volznut]

The petition was a factor for sure, but not the only one - and in the end, I think both parties got what they want

[EmerilVOL]

Oh come on.  How could the petition NOT be a factor?  Are you seriously claiming that?

Bandit better check your stuff man Martin said today on a radio program that the Petition was not a factor and he thought that leaving UT for Cal was a matter of a better fit for him and his family.  One of the things not reported is that Mama Martin was not super happy in Knoxville.
 
Also Martin reiterated that he respects the passion of the fan base in Knoxville and for UT and that he wants a passionate fan base since it is better to have passionate fans than to have people the dont care. 

[EmerilVOL]

Fans are critical and demanding. If this is problem enough for Cuonzo that he has to leave his job, then he doesn't need to be coaching at the highest levels because he doesn't have the stomach for it.

I think it was more about Hart having no confidence in him than it was the fans. I'm also not convinced Cuonzo was ever enamored with being here in the first place.

Lets just say Mama Martin was totally sold on Knoxville in lots of respects.....will tell you a story sometime that a friend told me (and he was at the restaurant when it happened)

[BanditVol]

Bandit better check your stuff man Martin said today on a radio program that the Petition was not a factor and he thought that leaving UT for Cal was a matter of a better fit for him and his family.  One of the things not reported is that Mama Martin was not super happy in Knoxville.
 
Also Martin reiterated that he respects the passion of the fan base in Knoxville and for UT and that he wants a passionate fan base since it is better to have passionate fans than to have people the dont care.  

He said that in the article I linked also. Read what the players tweeted again...they sure were not happy and I am pretty he wasn't also happy with the criticism IMO.  

Yes, criticism is expected, but what he faced IMO went beyond normal expectations.  What it boils down to is that Pearl is practically impossible to replace in terms of what he did at UT.

Pearl is at Auburn and his unpopular successor is gone.  Time for everyone to move on.  Probably for the best.  But the odds are ...IMO astronomical....  that Martin wasn't happy with the way he was treated.

It's no big deal though.

I guess I do find some irony in that some fans who said Martin needed to "man up" are the same ones complaining about the media coverage of his departure that mentions criticism by fans.  Pot, kettle, don't dish it out if you can't take it, etc.  

Now that is some funny shizzle.