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« on: October 26, 2014, 03:11:39 EDT »

A fizzleing field goal
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2014, 03:13:30 EDT »

A fizzleing field goal

Agreed. Chickenshizzle call.  It'd be different if this was a close game.   
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« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2014, 03:14:48 EDT »

Stupid gimmick play with A.J Johnson only needing a yard there..WTF??? Field goals won't do any good in this game..CBJ pussed out there..What the hell?? SMDH...
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2014, 03:16:05 EDT »

Oh, we are STILL down three scores!
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2014, 03:19:53 EDT »

But that was a call intended to not lose by as much.

This game was not over.  The call to go for the field goal conceded that it was.
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« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2014, 03:26:34 EDT »

3rd and 1,the obvious call should have been Dobbs under center,qb sneak,IF they get it the clock stops to move the chains and they have 2 or 3 shots at the end zone..instead they put Johnson 5 yrd back in the shot gun and don't get it and puss out for a fg..Not impressed with that kind of coaching 
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« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2014, 07:55:15 EDT »

Not going for it was Fulmer coaching 101.

The AJ call was just plain bad. You have a mobile QB in there for a reason. Give him a run throw option. If you want to Wildcat it....then use your 5 star RB...Hurd!!!
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2014, 02:03:36 EDT »

Not going for it was Fulmer coaching 101.

The AJ call was just plain bad. You have a mobile QB in there for a reason. Give him a run throw option. If you want to Wildcat it....then use your 5 star RB...Hurd!!!
the Beast play was poor execution.  I do not have any issue with it at all.
We went from doing everything to win to playing not to lose too bad (IMO) in one play.
BTW, I had no issue with the 2nd FG.  We had to score three times and the FG brought us to withing two TDs.  We had momentum on offense and if the defense makes a stop we have a shot, all we could ask for.  The defense didn't, or at least till our 1.
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2014, 04:06:10 EDT »

But that was a call intended to not lose by as much.

This game was not over.  The call to go for the field goal conceded that it was.

Yep.  When you hire MAC/CUSA level coaches, you get MAC/CUSA level coaching decisions. 

One or 51 - doesn't matter.  It's still a loss.  There are no such things as moral victories or "not as bad a loss" in the SEC. 
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« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2014, 04:13:52 EDT »

Yep.  When you hire MAC/CUSA level coaches, you get MAC/CUSA level coaching decisions. 

One or 51 - doesn't matter.  It's still a loss.  There are no such things as moral victories or "not as bad a loss" in the SEC. 

Well, that settles it then. Butch was clearly playing for a moral victory.

I didn't like the call either. Hated it. I thought it was cowardly. But I'm not going to pretend to know his mind from my recliner 60 miles away.
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« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2014, 04:20:51 EDT »

OK, so explain to me why when you have the mobile QB that you haven't had, you have third and 1 and send in somebody who hasn't touched the ball offensively all year, don't get it, then go for the field goal when you are down three scores to a team you are a heavy underdog against.

Let's get real here, Creek. That was an awful decision.  Rationally and reasonably, how can it be justified?  You aren't going to get back in the game with field goals there. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2014, 05:02:13 EDT »

I was shocked they didn't go for it! Oh well.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2014, 05:07:40 EDT »

OK, so explain to me why when you have the mobile QB that you haven't had, you have third and 1 and send in somebody who hasn't touched the ball offensively all year, don't get it, then go for the field goal when you are down three scores to a team you are a heavy underdog against.

Let's get real here, Creek. That was an awful decision.  Rationally and reasonably, how can it be justified?  You aren't going to get back in the game with field goals there. 



I'm not trying to defend the play call. As I said in my OP, I hated the call. I thought it was a cowardly call. But does that mean that Butch Jones was just trying to make the loss look respectable? Maybe, or maybe not. None of us know his intent. Believe it or not, some SEC coaches (even good ones) clinch up and make bad decisions under pressure occasionally.
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« Reply #13 on: October 26, 2014, 07:24:15 EDT »

Well, I guess I am the lone vote for coming away with points there.  I thought the worst possible thing that could happen to the football team is to have a complete momentum killer by coming away blank.  I thought the AJ decision was stupid, but I thought the FG was the right way to go.
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« Reply #14 on: October 26, 2014, 09:04:31 EDT »

I say we fire Butch Jones now. I think UT should hire all these Internet coaches and watch the National Titles roll in.
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« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2014, 09:40:30 EDT »

That sounds like something a Vol Chatter would say.
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« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2014, 10:48:17 EDT »

That sounds like something a Vol Chatter would say.

Or a big ole wolly orange sheep, which of course, would be your basic Vol Chatter.   

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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2014, 11:51:17 EDT »

If being a Butch Jones supporter makes me a sheep then I guess I am a sheep. Butch Jones inherited a huge mess. He needs time to turn it around.  With the recruiting class in 2014 helping the Vols out this year and the 2015 lass looking strong I think the program is on the right track.
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2014, 01:30:35 EDT »

If being a Butch Jones supporter makes me a sheep then I guess I am a sheep. Butch Jones inherited a huge mess. He needs time to turn it around.  With the recruiting class in 2014 helping the Vols out this year and the 2015 lass looking strong I think the program is on the right track.

Pretty sure most of us agree with that.
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« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2014, 02:02:07 EDT »

Everybody take a couple of deep breaths and do a little math. We most likely had to have a field goal and two more possessions also. We needed seventeen points to get to overtime. Two touchdowns W/ x-tra points total fourteen. Add a three point field goal and then 14+3=anyone? anyone? that's right 17, good for you you got it right on the second try. It really didnt matter which possession provided the field goal. Keep working hard and I'm sure everyone will be able to figure out this coaching stuff.     
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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2014, 03:08:10 EDT »

Everybody take a couple of deep breaths and do a little math. We most likely had to have a field goal and two more possessions also. We needed seventeen points to get to overtime. Two touchdowns W/ x-tra points total fourteen. Add a three point field goal and then 14+3=anyone? anyone? that's right 17, good for you you got it right on the second try. It really didnt matter which possession provided the field goal. Keep working hard and I'm sure everyone will be able to figure out this coaching stuff.     

Actually at that point the game was 27-7. A TD could've made it a 2-possession game, and a FG kept it at a 3-possession game. Just sayin'.
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« Reply #21 on: October 27, 2014, 03:16:11 EDT »

Actually at that point the game was 27-7. A TD could've made it a 2-possession game, and a FG kept it at a 3-possession game. Just sayin'.
Which was pretty much my point at the time ...
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« Reply #22 on: October 27, 2014, 03:23:37 EDT »

I guarantee you if UT goes for it on 4th down and gets stuffed fans would be complaining about that. Right now in my opinion Butch still has a free pass. He walked into a huge mess created by Mike Hamilton'Lane Kiffin and Derek Dooley. Dooley was idiotic for signing no offensive linemen in the 2012 class. The best players in the state was leaving like crazy. If Dooley would have stayed another year Jalen Hurd'Todd Kelly JR and Josh Malone would be playing somewhere else.  Now if in 2 to 3 years UT is still a 5-6 team then maybe UT should go another route.
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« Reply #23 on: October 27, 2014, 03:58:28 EDT »

Actually at that point the game was 27-7. A TD could've made it a 2-possession game, and a FG kept it at a 3-possession game. Just sayin'.
OK then it was still a good call. The situation was with around 35 seconds to go in the half we had the ball with fourth and about 2-3 yds to get a first down. We are in field goal range and we let the clock run down to 3 secs then we kick the field goal. If we run a play quickly and don't make it then they get he ball with nearly half a minute to go some 80 yards with two time outs. Now before anyone says how unlikely they could do that remember how long their first possession lasted. There is considerable difference between being theee TDs down and two tds and a field goal. I defended his decision when it happened and I still do.
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« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2014, 04:22:27 EDT »

OK then it was still a good call. The situation was with around 35 seconds to go in the half we had the ball with fourth and about 2-3 yds to get a first down. We are in field goal range and we let the clock run down to 3 secs then we kick the field goal. If we run a play quickly and don't make it then they get he ball with nearly half a minute to go some 80 yards with two time outs. Now before anyone says how unlikely they could do that remember how long their first possession lasted. There is considerable difference between being theee TDs down and two tds and a field goal. I defended his decision when it happened and I still do.

Well, not to be cantankerous, but it was actually 4th and just under a yard. And they would've had to go 90 yards. No way Alabama would even attempt anything other than a safe run between the tackles had they gotten the ball in that situation.
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