Just heard an interesting take on one and done college basketball players. Did

[volsboy]

you know that the percentage of major league baseball players with a college degree is 3%. Why is it all right for these white players to play travel baseball from their youth on and no one says a word. A lot of college kids quit after one year. Spend to much time partying and quit after that first year. Why is it such taboo for these athletes to be gone after one year.  I quit after 1 year. Went into the Air Force, got my degree on Uncle Sams dime. Became an officer and the rest is history. Ended up on the E4B and had a great career. BTW all of the info above was a discussion on Cowherd this morning.

[Creek Walker]

Facepalm.

Why does everything have to be turned into a black-vs-white discussion? Black kids play baseball, too. And a significant number of Latin kids play baseball.

The frame of this discussion in terms of why one-and-done is taboo in one sport and not another, has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the fact that one league (MLB) doesn't require its players to attend college before being drafted, and one league (NBA) does — which makes the entire college process a complete sham in basketball.

[volsboy]

Facepalm.

Why does everything have to be turned into a black-vs-white discussion? Black kids play baseball, too. And a significant number of Latin kids play baseball.

The frame of this discussion in terms of why one-and-done is taboo in one sport and not another, has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the fact that one league (MLB) doesn't require its players to attend college before being drafted, and one league (NBA) does — which makes the entire college process a complete sham in basketball.

That is the problem. These players are in college just to satisfy the rule. They should be free to go straight to NBA. Makes no sense in any sport. If you are good enough at 18 years old they should be able to play. That being said, if they don't make it why shouldn't they be able to go back to college? If you are cut from a team, you are no longer getting paid and no longer a professional. I have no dog in this hunt, just bringing up some what if's. I could give three craps about graduation rates. It's not indicative of the whole picture. If Calipari was at UT, would I approve of his one and done teams. Hell yes. So would you.

[HerbTarlekVol]

You do realize that many of the players in the major leagues are players from the Caribbean and Central American countries who had no opportunity to go to college, don't you? 

And you do realize that American players are draft eligible out of high school, and about half of those American players in MLB signed out of high school, don't you?

And those MLB players who do come out of college for the most part have left after their junior years and haven't had the opportunity to finish college yet, don't you? 

Point being - that analogy and the 3% number are fatally flawed.  Absolutely an apples and oranges comparison.

[volsboy]

You do realize that many of the players in the major leagues are players from the Caribbean and Central American countries who had no opportunity to go to college, don't you? 

And you do realize that American players are draft eligible out of high school, and about half of those American players in MLB signed out of high school, don't you?

And those MLB players who do come out of college for the most part have left after their junior years and haven't had the opportunity to finish college yet, don't you? 

Point being - that analogy and the 3% number are fatally flawed.  Absolutely an apples and oranges comparison.

But it is okay for them to leave early. Not college basketball players. Why are they draftable out of high school? No arguing, just asking why. The NBA made this mess with their rules. As for the MLB players that left after their junior years, they still left early. Nobody bitches about them leaving early. Why?

[PirateVOL]

But it is okay for them to leave early. Not college basketball players. Why are they draftable out of high school? No arguing, just asking why. The NBA made this mess with their rules. As for the MLB players that left after their junior years, they still left early. Nobody bitches about them leaving early. Why?

What part of "after their Jr year" did you NOT understand?

[Clockwork Orange]

The NBA made this mess with their rules.

The problem is you put a lot of other irrelevant stuff in your post that is distracting from the above point, which is a good one. The NBA needs the MLB rule, which says a player can jump straight from high school if he wants but if he goes to college he has to stay three years.

The NBA rule created one-and-done players, which is bad no matter which sport it's in. That assessment doesn't apply to players who leave as juniors.

[Creek Walker]

If Calipari was at UT, would I approve of his one and done teams. Hell yes. So would you.

You probably shouldn't presume to know how I would react since you don't know me. The answer is, no, I wouldn't. I'm not blinded by coach loyalty.

[volsboy]

What part of "after their Jr year" did you NOT understand?

I understand . What difference does it make what year you leave early? You still left early. If you are good enough you can be a pro baseball player after high school. Not a basketball player. Like I said I would take all of KY's one and done's if roles were reversed. NFL is the same way.

[HerbTarlekVol]

The reason this is apples and oranges is because baseball has a minor league system that brings players along slowly in competition with other players of similar ages and maturity level.  The NBA has the development league, but even those slots are limited.  Each MLB team has a minimum of 8 minor league teams with roughly 30 roster spots on each club, so that is 240 "development" slots available for those young players.  I don't follow it closely, but don't the NBA teams share/co-op on D-league teams?  Even if they don't they have a maximum of 12 slots available and the money in the D-league is minimal. 

Talking about two completely different concepts. 

[Black Diamond Vol]

You probably shouldn't presume to know how I would react since you don't know me. The answer is, no, I wouldn't. I'm not blinded by coach loyalty.

I've made it known repeatedly on this forum that if any of our programs were to hire certain coaches (Calipari, Petrino, Urban, etc.) I would find another team to root for until they're gone.  I still feel the same way.

[Creek Walker]

I've made it known repeatedly on this forum that if any of our programs were to hire certain coaches (Calipari, Petrino, Urban, etc.) I would find another team to root for until they're gone.  I still feel the same way.

That's sorta how I felt when the Andy Kennedy rumblings were going on. No way I could support him. The same goes for Calipari. And, really, the same was true when Lane Kiffin was our coach. I supported him to an extent, but for the most part he lost me with his repeated juvenile incidents.

[BanditVol]

The problem is you put a lot of other irrelevant stuff in your post that is distracting from the above point, which is a good one. The NBA needs the MLB rule, which says a player can jump straight from high school if he wants but if he goes to college he has to stay three years.

The NBA rule created one-and-done players, which is bad no matter which sport it's in. That assessment doesn't apply to players who leave as juniors.

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