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Author Topic: The Countdown is in better shape than Chambers Bay, so is Whittle Springs  (Read 5769 times)
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« on: June 21, 2015, 12:07:45 EDT »

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« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2015, 01:40:04 EDT »

Yeah, that was pretty hard to watch.  I doubt the Open will be returning there any time soon.
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« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2015, 04:39:24 EDT »

So having pro golfers actually having to use skill to place shots is bad? Those mostly wide open "Just cut loose and hit as far as you want & forget accuracy" courses are better? I think this just shows that the best (?) golfers in the world have to have pristine carpets that are forgiving to get low scores. I thought a good golfer could use every club in the bag. Frankly I love hearing them whine about the hard course.  Now they know what I feel like as I pull my shot into the trees!!! Every time I might add!!
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« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2015, 05:13:52 EDT »

So having pro golfers actually having to use skill to place shots is bad? Those mostly wide open "Just cut loose and hit as far as you want & forget accuracy" courses are better? I think this just shows that the best (?) golfers in the world have to have pristine carpets that are forgiving to get low scores. I thought a good golfer could use every club in the bag. Frankly I love hearing them whine about the hard course.  Now they know what I feel like as I pull my shot into the trees!!! Every time I might add!!
I don't have an issue with how Davis has set up the course.  I do have an issue playing an Open at a course that makes muni courses look good!
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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2015, 05:33:18 EDT »

I dunno.  I've always liked the US Open best of all the majors because I like the see the players challenged.  But this?  This just seems like a "gotcha" kind of setup.  If the fairway is ribbon thin and therefore hard to hit, then so be it.  But to watch long, straight drives repeatedly land in the middle of the tract, just to take a 90 degree turn and roll off into the rough- over and over and over again- gets tiring as a viewer.  And approaches that hit the green only to inch over a ridge and roll 50 yards off into the cart path- I don't want to see that over and over again.  I like to see the pros forced out of their comfort zone and have to scramble, but I want them to at least have a chance to make some amazing shots, too.  And I don't see that happening at CB.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2015, 05:34:24 EDT »

I don't have an issue with how Davis has set up the course.  I do have an issue playing an Open at a course that makes muni courses look good!

BTW, Chambers IS a muni.  And it shows. 
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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2015, 05:54:26 EDT »

BTW, Chambers IS a muni.  And it shows. 
So was/is Bethpage.
Chambers makes Whittles look good, something I though I would never witness in my lifetime.

BTW, my course is in outstanding shape.  Greens quick and putting true and the fairways are in great shape. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2015, 07:40:25 EDT »

The main issue is the greens and the Po grass which they didn't count on being there. My course here every March-April gets some Po in it and it makes a difference until it dies out or they can kill it out. Po grows at a faster rate during the day in cool weather and forms little seed pods.

I've talked to people who have played Chambers Bay and everyone said they enjoyed it from the tees they played. I've played link courses that were hard and fast and if it wasn't for a flagstick you couldn't tell the difference from the greens or the fairways. I love that style of golf myself. We have gotten spoiled here with courses that are green, lush and soft. Going forward I hope we see more of these courses.
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2015, 09:49:42 EDT »

I love the course--IF--this were the British Open.  Basically, we will see two British Opens this year.  The beauty of the four majors has always been the variety--Masters at probably the most beautiful and well-maintained course in the world, U.S. Open at one of the classic world ranked courses, set up tough to separate the best from the rest, British Open at the home of golf on a traditional links old course, and then the PGA which gives them a chance to score and top gunslinger for the week wins.  That variety has taken a hit this year.  I am still enjoying it, but my preference would be a traditional U. S. Open with slivers for fairways, deep rough, and lightning greens. 

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2015, 01:44:38 EDT »

The greens are basically unputtable.  That takes "testing a players skill" completely out of the picture and puts the luck of the roll/bounce squarely in charge. 

Nothing can justify the condition of the greens.  They are as bad as any overused and under managed muni out there. 

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2015, 01:47:34 EDT »

I love the course--IF--this were the British Open.  Basically, we will see two British Opens this year. 



Three, actually.  The PGA is at Whistling Straits, and it's pretty similar (looks-wise, anyway) to this course.
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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2015, 01:52:27 EDT »

Really don't want to see Dustin Johnson win this.  When you're the biggest douchebag on a tour that includes Tiger Woods, that's saying something.
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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2015, 04:20:28 EDT »

Damn.  If nothing else, they delivered a hell of a finish.
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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2015, 04:48:41 EDT »

I can't understand how so many courses are struggling for operating capital. All you have to do is stop maintaining and call it a links course and increase the green fees. I've heard of links courses all my life and heard several definitions (most of which are a load of crap). Everybody thinks they know what one is when in truth they don't have a clue...except for me and I REALLY know.
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« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2015, 10:48:55 EDT »

Really don't want to see Dustin Johnson win this.  When you're the biggest douchebag on a tour that includes Tiger Woods, that's saying something.
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« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2015, 10:39:11 EDT »

Any questions on the conditions of the greens should be answered with this picture:

https://instagram.com/p/4Nmq2zpg2V/
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