Not sold on McIllwain yet

[Black Diamond Vol]

We've seen a lot of coaches win big in year one with someone else's players, get labeled "the next big thing", and then flame out.  Larry Coker is exhibit A.  In the SEC, you have Houston Nutt and Gus Mahlzan, who's probably one more poor season away from losing his job.  Not saying that JM is going to suffer the same fate, but it wouldn't be unprecedented.  He HAS gotten a lot of breaks this year, and he's not recruiting particularly well.  I want to see what he does in years 3-4 before I crown him as the next Saban.

[volsboy]

Don't you know?
It's all about his hatred of all things Butch.
Rational thinking and logic has no place in his life

Bite me Pirate. When Butch is 9-1 I will give him the props he deserves. I just feel you hire a MAC coach you MAC results. All I want is for him to show me good coaching and good game-plans consistently. Bama was good. USCe and NTSU not so much. Just stating the obvious.

[PirateVOL]

Bite me Pirate. When Butch is 9-1 I will give him the props he deserves. I just feel you hire a MAC coach you MAC results. All I want is for him to show me good coaching and good game-plans consistently. Bama was good. USCe and NTSU not so much. Just stating the obvious.

Truth hurts badly doesn't it.
Apparently, you can't handle the TRUTH!
Your first deep thought might suffocate you

[Black Diamond Vol]

Bite me Pirate. When Butch is 9-1 I will give him the props he deserves.

No you won't.  You'll be bitching about the one loss.  Don't even deny it.

[JDBVOL]

only knew of CJM from bammer and CSU he did a solid job at CSU.

once he was hired at UF I started to pay attention-he comes across in interviews as a bit off center but he is loved by his players, understands how to put guys in positions that will maximize their ability and transparently lets the Defensive Coaches run the defense.

The O is going to be better year over year imo.

The D-that is the main issue he will face once he starts to get "his guys" into the program-will he be offensive driven or will he have balance?  time will tell but dang he sure has surprised the heck out of me.

still steamed over his post game after our Loss--looking back you think what a goof ball but CJM has done a COY job

[volsboy]

No you won't.  You'll be bitching about the one loss.  Don't even deny it.

I will give him credit when it's due. I still say he will be the type of coach that has to out-talent the other guys instead of out-coach them. It is in his court to prove otherwise.

[PirateVOL]

I will give him credit when it's due. I still say he will be the type of coach that has to out-talent the other guys instead of out-coach them. It is in his court to prove otherwise.

so you say
pardon us if we don't believe you

You do remember that YOU were the one who inserted Butch into the discussion, as your hatred of Butch and related shallow thinking seemingly only allows you to think in negative terms, no matter the ACTUAL subject of a thread.

[BanditVol]

Yeah, so if this was a stock trade, I'd be rolling in cash right now

Nice continual luck there, McIllwain.  The odds WILL turn, they always do.