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Title: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: VoLynteer on October 25, 2012, 03:00:24 EDT
and Frank Wycheck certainly know how to ruin someone's day. Yes...I know..."Don't listen to them" but I can't help it.  They have me convinced this is far from a done deal.  Someone knock me over the head and wake me up when all of this is settled.  :powert:


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: Volznut on October 25, 2012, 03:27:59 EDT
and Frank Wycheck certainly know how to ruin someone's day. Yes...I know..."Don't listen to them" but I can't help it.  They have me convinced this is far from a done deal.  Someone knock me over the head and wake me up when all of this is settled.  :powert:

They are right. It is not a done deal. Only thing that is for sure is that UT will definitely make Gruden say no before going elsewhere,



Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: VoLynteer on October 25, 2012, 03:31:52 EDT
They are right. It is not a done deal. Only thing that is for sure is that UT will definitely make Gruden say no before going elsewhere,



Key word: "FAR"


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: ReVOLver on October 25, 2012, 03:33:23 EDT
As I just posted, I am skeptical that it's done.

However, let me classify the media for you... first, there are the Mark Howard / Frank Wycheck types that don't know ANYTHING about ANYTHING and are only using their opinion to comment on the situation... in some cases, because they are journalists and/or former athletes, their opinion is more informed than others, but in most cases they only know what Brent Hubbs and Jimmy Hyams tell them.

Then you have the media for UT that is plugged in... Hubbs, Rucker, and to an extent, Hyams. But the thing you have to understand about those guys is that once Fulmer left, they lost all their off-the-record sources that helped them break stories... the way the current landscape is, they know a lot of stuff directly from the AD and SID, but the University dictates what they can print and report under the threat of them losing their contacts inside the program.

I double-dog guarantee you that whatever you finally hear will break on a message board before any legitimate media posts it because they are forced to wait for clearance... that means that the legit media isn't wrong that often, but it means that stories break elsewhere in this day and time.


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: WoodstockVol on October 25, 2012, 03:33:47 EDT
Wouldn't it be weird if Tennessee's next Coach wound up really being David Cutcliffe?


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: VoLynteer on October 25, 2012, 03:39:40 EDT
Wouldn't it be weird if Tennessee's next Coach wound up really being David Cutcliffe?
:bird:


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: ReVOLver on October 25, 2012, 03:43:11 EDT
:bird:


Don't listen to him... don't even let Cut enter your head. They are not currently going after David Cutcliffe. Associating Cut with the job is pure lazy speculation. If Cut ends up being our coach, a lot of people are going to have to turn us down and it won't get past Kirby Smart or Charlie Strong to get to Cut even if Gruden falls through.


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: VoLynteer on October 25, 2012, 03:48:54 EDT
Don't listen to him... don't even let Cut enter your head. They are not currently going after David Cutcliffe. Associating Cut with the job is pure lazy speculation. If Cut ends up being our coach, a lot of people are going to have to turn us down and it won't get past Kirby Smart or Charlie Strong to get to Cut even if Gruden falls through.

You know I love Cut but if we can't do better than that we might as well stick with Dooley.


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: WoodstockVol on October 25, 2012, 03:49:21 EDT
Don't listen to him... don't even let Cut enter your head. They are not currently going after David Cutcliffe. Associating Cut with the job is pure lazy speculation. If Cut ends up being our coach, a lot of people are going to have to turn us down and it won't get past Kirby Smart or Charlie Strong to get to Cut even if Gruden falls through.

Bleacherreport put Cut as a candidate along with Gruden,Hudspeth of Louisiana-Lafayette,Charlie Strong,Mike Belotti formerly of Oregon and Former UNC Coach Butch Davis


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: Volznut on October 25, 2012, 03:52:54 EDT
As I just posted, I am skeptical that it's done.

However, let me classify the media for you... first, there are the Mark Howard / Frank Wycheck types that don't know ANYTHING about ANYTHING and are only using their opinion to comment on the situation... in some cases, because they are journalists and/or former athletes, their opinion is more informed than others, but in most cases they only know what Brent Hubbs and Jimmy Hyams tell them.

Then you have the media for UT that is plugged in... Hubbs, Rucker, and to an extent, Hyams. But the thing you have to understand about those guys is that once Fulmer left, they lost all their off-the-record sources that helped them break stories... the way the current landscape is, they know a lot of stuff directly from the AD and SID, but the University dictates what they can print and report under the threat of them losing their contacts inside the program.

I double-dog guarantee you that whatever you finally hear will break on a message board before any legitimate media posts it because they are forced to wait for clearance... that means that the legit media isn't wrong that often, but it means that stories break elsewhere in this day and time.

Yep...it will surface on a message board first, there will be lots of people who will dismiss it until they "hear it from a reputable source".

I don't doubt that it's not a done deal. However, it does look like he's the prime candidate, and he will definitely listen



Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: Clockwork Orange on October 25, 2012, 03:54:30 EDT
Bleacherreport put Cut as a candidate along with Gruden,Hudspeth of Louisiana-Lafayette,Charlie Strong,Mike Belotti formerly of Oregon and Former UNC Coach Butch Davis

My dog says Florence Henderson is the top target. His sources are as good as Bleacher Report's.


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on October 25, 2012, 03:55:07 EDT
Bleacherreport put Cut as a candidate along with Gruden,Hudspeth of Louisiana-Lafayette,Charlie Strong,Mike Belotti formerly of Oregon and Former UNC Coach Butch Davis

Bleacher Report? :dielaughing:


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: BanditVol on October 25, 2012, 03:58:36 EDT
Key word: "FAR"

 :confused:


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: Volznut on October 25, 2012, 04:02:50 EDT
Key word: "FAR"

yep. It is FAR from a done deal.


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: ReVOLver on October 25, 2012, 04:17:52 EDT
Bleacherreport put Cut as a candidate along with Gruden,Hudspeth of Louisiana-Lafayette,Charlie Strong,Mike Belotti formerly of Oregon and Former UNC Coach Butch Davis

Belotti??

BUTCH DAVIS????

I have an idea, let's make a list with Belotti, Davis, Cutcliffe, Jack Sells, Steve Spurrier, Lane Kiffin, Jim Tressel, and Bill Belichick and start a new site called "The Box Seat Report"... we'll be famous.


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: WoodstockVol on October 25, 2012, 04:19:37 EDT
Belotti??

BUTCH DAVIS????

I have an idea, let's make a list with Belotti, Davis, Cutcliffe, Jack Sells, Steve Spurrier, Lane Kiffin, Jim Tressel, and Bill Belichick and start a new site called "The Box Seat Report"... we'll be famous.

LOL,Butch has been mentioned as a Candidate for the Arkansas job. :rotfl:


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: ReVOLver on October 25, 2012, 04:20:35 EDT
You know I love Cut but if we can't do better than that we might as well stick with Dooley.

Agree 100%


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: ReVOLver on October 25, 2012, 04:21:04 EDT
LOL,Butch has been mentioned as a Candidate for the Arkansas job. :rotfl:

NOBODY is going to hire Butch Davis to be a head coach. He is radioactive.


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: VoLynteer on October 25, 2012, 04:23:45 EDT
Belotti??

BUTCH DAVIS????

I have an idea, let's make a list with Belotti, Davis, Cutcliffe, Jack Sells, Steve Spurrier, Lane Kiffin, Jim Tressel, and Bill Belichick and start a new site called "The Box Seat Report"... we'll be famous.

Don't forget Phil!!


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: WoodstockVol on October 25, 2012, 04:24:42 EDT
Don't forget Phil!!

 :dielaughing: Phil is going to Kentucky :rotfl: :bowrofl: :naughty:


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: BanditVol on October 25, 2012, 04:26:29 EDT
:dielaughing: Phil is going to Kentucky :rotfl: :bowrofl: :naughty:

I would like to see how that pans out, if true.  Phil at Kentucky.  Probably won't happen though...


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: Creek Walker on October 25, 2012, 04:26:37 EDT
Friends don't let friends read Bleacherreport.

I used to write some for BR because I liked their concept of giving a voice to the common man and wanted to see them succeed. Problem is their investors were more interested in turning quick $$ than building a quality network. They went from accepting only a few writers to pretty much accepting anyone who was breathing and had an opinion. Generating page views by saying "You're team sucks" became more important than stories that actually had substance. All that to say that if you're looking at BR for real and meaningful information, you're just wasting your time.


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: Mean Old Man on October 25, 2012, 05:15:03 EDT
The real downer on 104.5 this morning was not Wycheck or Howard; it was Doug Matthews, who essentially said that John Gruden IS NOT coming to Tennessee and that those of us who think/hope otherwise need to go back to bed. He added that any interest Gruden is showing is just cordiality. I am not sure how Matthews can speak to this issue with such certainty but that is what he said.


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: VoLynteer on October 25, 2012, 05:20:38 EDT
The real downer on 104.5 this morning was not Wycheck or Howard; it was Doug Matthews, who essentially said that John Gruden IS NOT coming to Tennessee and that those of us who think/hope otherwise need to go back to bed. He added that any interest Gruden is showing is just cordiality. I am not sure how Matthews can speak to this issue with such certainty but that is what he said.

I missed that segment.

Oh well...


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: ReVOLver on October 25, 2012, 05:26:50 EDT
I missed that segment.

Oh well...

It's interesting that Matthews is in complete disagreement with Hubbs and Chris Low, who both say that Gruden is interested in at least exploring the job.


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: Volznut on October 25, 2012, 05:33:11 EDT
The real downer on 104.5 this morning was not Wycheck or Howard; it was Doug Matthews, who essentially said that John Gruden IS NOT coming to Tennessee and that those of us who think/hope otherwise need to go back to bed. He added that any interest Gruden is showing is just cordiality. I am not sure how Matthews can speak to this issue with such certainty but that is what he said.

Matthews doesn't know much. He is going off what has happened in the past


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: WoodstockVol on October 25, 2012, 05:34:17 EDT
Matthews doesn't know much. He is going off what has happened in the past


Yeah,the old argument than an NFL coach wouldn't be interested in a College Coaching job. :frown:


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: Mean Old Man on October 25, 2012, 05:38:15 EDT
Matthews doesn't know much. He is going off what has happened in the past


I am glad you said that because I was going to ask, how plugged in is Matthews to what is really going on with the program these days? I may be wrong but I get the sense that his take on this matter is just educated speculation.


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: ReVOLver on October 25, 2012, 07:45:11 EDT
Matthews doesn't know much. He is going off what has happened in the past


I agree.


Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: Volznut on October 25, 2012, 08:10:43 EDT
I am glad you said that because I was going to ask, how plugged in is Matthews to what is really going on with the program these days? I may be wrong but I get the sense that his take on this matter is just educated speculation.

he may be somewhat plugged into UT's program, but he'd know what was going on with Gruden as much as we would. IMO



Title: Re: well 104.5 and Mark Howard
Post by: murfvol on October 25, 2012, 08:16:07 EDT
I like Matthews a lot, but I agree about him being plugged in - though he may know some boosters. One thought I did have is it is possible Wychek may know a little bit more than usual.

It's my understanding he isn't in Manning's inner circle, but is still pretty good friends with him. IF, and that's a big IF, Manning is in any way involved with Gruden discussions it is possible Wychek might know.