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« on: October 30, 2012, 11:52:21 EDT » |
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I was on ESPN and saw this in the 3 Point Stance from Ivan Maisel: Tennessee coach Derek Dooley is 0-5 in the SEC for the third time in three seasons, and speculation is rampant that Dooley will be fired. But I’m not so sure. The Tennessee athletic department has thin reserves. The cost of paying Dooley and his staff and hiring a new head coach and staff would be exorbitant. Also, athletic director Dave Hart may give Dooley another chance to win, if only for Hart to give himself more time to fix a myriad of administrative issues that he inherited. That would attract better coaching candidates. There is nothing earth shattering here. It is essentially the same arguments we've heard before. But since Maisel writes for ESPN, I thought I would pass it along. http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/tag/_/name/3-point-stance |
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Inspector Vol
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« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 11:57:16 EDT » |
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Sounds plausible and if it happens it happens and he is wildly successful next season I will be glad to eat crow. As of right now I want him fired and a proven winner hired and the sooner the better.
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murfvol
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2012, 12:01:07 EDT » |
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I said earlier UT shouldn't have to have a Plan E. I might make Plan E Tuberville if pushed. Plan F (no pun intended) should be to hire Randy Shannon or Ellis Johnson as DC and retain Dooley.
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"The more the words, the less the meaning, and how does that profit anyone?" - Ecclesiastes 6:11
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VinnieVOL
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« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2012, 12:29:03 EDT » |
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I personally believe that money is just not an obstacle.
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Ridge Runner
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« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2012, 01:43:43 EDT » |
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I think that if the decision to fire him has not already been made, he has to become bowl eligible, at a minimum, to have any chance to be retained.
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Creek Walker
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« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2012, 02:04:52 EDT » |
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I might -- MIGHT -- be persuaded to believe that there's still time for Dooley to win his job (gonna be a tough sell for me, though), but there's no way that Tennessee is unequivocally going to keep him. If they were, there's no way Hart would have allowed this Gruden circus to continue unabated for this long. He would've stepped forward to give Dooley a vote of confidence. I still think Dooley is toast, and I still think Dooley knows it.
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WoodstockVol
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« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2012, 02:09:36 EDT » |
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If the AD doesn't have the balls to dump Dooley fire the AD as well as Dooley. No effing reason to have Dooley back,do they want 50,000 People in Neyland in 2013? |
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Lets go Braves,win the National League East!
LETS GO VOLS,KICK SEC A&& IN 2013!!!
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VinnieVOL
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« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2012, 03:16:47 EDT » |
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I might -- MIGHT -- be persuaded to believe that there's still time for Dooley to win his job (gonna be a tough sell for me, though), but there's no way that Tennessee is unequivocally going to keep him. If they were, there's no way Hart would have allowed this Gruden circus to continue unabated for this long. He would've stepped forward to give Dooley a vote of confidence. I still think Dooley is toast, and I still think Dooley knows it.
Just think back to how you felt at the UF game, that should put you back in the fire Dooley state of mind.  |
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Inspector Vol
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« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2012, 03:49:48 EDT » |
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Just think back to how your felt at the UF game, that should put you back in the fire Dooley state of mind. And if that doesn't do it just think about MS State. |
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« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2012, 04:23:36 EDT » |
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And if that doesn't do it just think about MS State.
Or 2011 KY. |
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« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2012, 04:37:48 EDT » |
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I will never go to another game until Dooley is fired or beats somebody of consequence.
Sorry.
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WoodstockVol
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2012, 04:43:08 EDT » |
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Or 2011 KY.
I've questioned Dooley's ability to Coach since the sh*tty 2010 overtime win against UAB |
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Lets go Braves,win the National League East!
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Creek Walker
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2012, 05:15:39 EDT » |
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Just think back to how you felt at the UF game, that should put you back in the fire Dooley state of mind. Trust me, I ain't gonna lose my fire Dooley state of mind until Dooley does something to change it. I just meant that I might be convinced that our AD is gonna keep him for some strange reason. That is a decision I would whole heartedly disagree with.  |
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japanvol
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2012, 06:14:33 EDT » |
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Next year UT first 8 games are Austin Peay, W Kentucky, @FLa, @Oregon, South Alabama, UGA, South Carolina, @Alabama. We will probably be underdogs in all 4 SEC games and at Oregon. 3-5 at this point next year is staring us straight in the face. If that happens UT would have to win on the road at Missouri to AVOID AN 0-5 START IN THE SEC FOR THE 4TH STRAIGHT YEAR!
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2012, 06:46:08 EDT » |
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Yep, that's mine. I was still in his corner and feeling 8-4 deserves another year, but MSU! Not UF, not bama, not even UGA OR USCe. MSU !!! And if that doesn't do it just think about MS State.
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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2012, 06:53:35 EDT » |
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Too many reasons, even listed here, to consider retaining Dooley. I haven't seen one remotely substantive reason not to fire Dooley.
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2012, 07:05:37 EDT » |
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I personally believe that money is just not an obstacle.
Is it a faith-based believe, an assumption, or are you going on what others said? You could say money should not be an option, which is a good opinion to have. I don't think it should be either, but if we spend a lot it better be worth it. I personally can't just sit back and assume the money is there, because I actually have no idea whether wealthy alumni would open their wallets or not. What I recall about Saban coming to bammer is that Bear Bryant Jr headed a large group of donors and collected something like $30 million to pay off whatever Shula needed, renovate facilities, hire saban and some other things. I haven't seen any such effort from any UT folks. Funny thing...no bama fans want to talk about the money-raising effort anymore. It seems they have developed amnesia. I can speculate as to why, but that's a whole other topic. |
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VinnieVOL
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2012, 07:37:50 EDT » |
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Is it a faith-based believe, an assumption, or are you going on what others said?
You could say money should not be an option, which is a good opinion to have. I don't think it should be either, but if we spend a lot it better be worth it.
I personally can't just sit back and assume the money is there, because I actually have no idea whether wealthy alumni would open their wallets or not.
What I recall about Saban coming to bammer is that Bear Bryant Jr headed a large group of donors and collected something like $30 million to pay off whatever Shula needed, renovate facilities, hire saban and some other things.
I haven't seen any such effort from any UT folks.
Funny thing...no bama fans want to talk about the money-raising effort anymore. It seems they have developed amnesia. I can speculate as to why, but that's a whole other topic.
I'm not assuming. And I haven't gone to knock on Mr. Haslam's door to ask him personally either. I'm going on what people who I have deemed credible in my view have said. No, I'm not just basing it off of random posters on other sites. Not sure what kind of "proof" you're looking for, but obviously I cannot provide it. And just because you haven't seen such an effort by UT folks, that makes it so? I hardly think we're at the stage of this process that said UT folks would broadcast it anyway. Maybe they're not handling it just like Bama did. It's all out there for you to read, just like it is for me. No secret documentation. If you choose not to believe it, fine. I couldn't care less. |
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2012, 08:48:47 EDT » |
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Dooley is not coming back no matter what happens in the next 4 games. As for the people who think he is they will change there mind soon because he will not win out. Also why does Bama have to be used in every argument? I don't care what those Reds do! I will never go to another game until Dooley is fired or beats somebody of consequence.
Sorry.
I copmpletely understand and that does not make you any less of a fan. We only get so many Saturdays in this life. |
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