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« on: June 02, 2015, 11:41:27 EDT » |
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2015, 12:58:46 EDT » |
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Don't have a problem with 7 1/2 being the over/under. I think that is very fair.
There are still a lot of questions surrounding the UT football program going in to next season. It has certainly made progress from a culture and personnel standpoint. It still remains to be seen if that progress is going to be turned in to more wins and less losses.
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VOLMAN
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2015, 01:46:33 EDT » |
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I agree with HTV, 7.5 is fair. We still have a tough schedule and while skill level is improved it still isn't what is needed at every position and depth is still a huge issue....a few key players going down, or having a bad year, could have a huge impact. I say we're still 2 more good classes from being at the "no excuses" level.  |
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2015, 01:58:00 EDT » |
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I agree with HTV, 7.5 is fair. We still have a tough schedule and while skill level is improved it still isn't what is needed at every position and depth is still a huge issue....a few key players going down, or having a bad year, could have a huge impact. I say we're still 2 more good classes from being at the "no excuses" level. Agree to a point. If we keep the NFL early entries to a minimum next spring, we should be ready to roll and compete for championships for the 2016 season. Otherwise, we're probably looking at 2017 or even 2018. We still don't quite have enough depth to just reload if we lose guys like Cam, Dobbs, JRM, North, Kamara, etc. That's the kind of depth currently reserved for only 4 or 5 elite programs, and two more classes like our last two should get us to that point. |
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2015, 02:19:43 EDT » |
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Because the East is down, I think there's a chance we can compete for it this year. But I agree with BDV and VOLMAN that really 2016 at the earliest and probably 2017 is when there's enough talent and experience to expect to match the top of the SEC West.
Our depth at key positions is still fragile, but incoming classes are fixing that. Right now key guys (Dobbs) are backed up by talented freshmen. When they're backed up by talented guys who have actually seen a college field, we'll be in business.
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2015, 02:41:29 EDT » |
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Because the East is down, I think there's a chance we can compete for it this year. But I agree with BDV and VOLMAN that really 2016 at the earliest and probably 2017 is when there's enough talent and experience to expect to match the top of the SEC West.
Our depth at key positions is still fragile, but incoming classes are fixing that. Right now key guys (Dobbs) are backed up by talented freshmen. When they're backed up by talented guys who have actually seen a college field, we'll be in business.
Oh, I expect we WILL compete for the East this year. When I talk about competing for "championships", I'm not talking about division titles. And I don't think we're ready to compete with the West division (much less nationally) just yet. But who knows? Win the East, and you're just one upset away from an SEC title. And winning the SEC is practically an automatic bid to the Playoffs. |
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2015, 03:38:52 EDT » |
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I fixed the link. Or eliminated the redundant link.
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Clockwork Orange
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2015, 04:13:28 EDT » |
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Oh, I expect we WILL compete for the East this year. When I talk about competing for "championships", I'm not talking about division titles. And I don't think we're ready to compete with the West division (much less nationally) just yet. But who knows? Win the East, and you're just one upset away from an SEC title. And winning the SEC is practically an automatic bid to the Playoffs.
QBs are so crucial for upsets . . . and I'm not sure there's a QB in the conference that is as capable of being that wildcard as Dobbs is. I don't think he's an every-week-great-QB but he is capable of winning a game with big plays. If he's healthy he gives us a puncher's chance even against the best teams on the schedule. If we got to the SECC somehow I wouldn't bet against us for that reason. |
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2015, 04:25:18 EDT » |
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QBs are so crucial for upsets . . . and I'm not sure there's a QB in the conference that is as capable of being that wildcard as Dobbs is. I don't think he's an every-week-great-QB but he is capable of winning a game with big plays.
If he's healthy he gives us a puncher's chance even against the best teams on the schedule. If we got to the SECC somehow I wouldn't bet against us for that reason.
I agree about Dobbs. And that's why, looking ahead, I'm a bit hesitant about 2017. Because while the rest of the roster will probably be loaded for bear, we're likely going to be breaking in a new QB. If we don't have our "breakout" championship year in '15 or '16, we may have to wait another couple years before the opportunity comes up again. That's why I had no issues with Butch's attempt to redshirt him last year. |
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Clockwork Orange
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2015, 04:32:50 EDT » |
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I agree about Dobbs. And that's why, looking ahead, I'm a bit hesitant about 2017. Because while the rest of the roster will probably be loaded for bear, we're likely going to be breaking in a new QB. If we don't have our "breakout" championship year in '15 or '16, we may have to wait another couple years before the opportunity comes up again.
That's why I had no issues with Butch's attempt to redshirt him last year.
The good news is the guys we may be breaking in for '17 are pretty talented and should, at that point, have at least gotten some mop up time on the field. |
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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2015, 05:14:00 EDT » |
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Well I was thinking 8-4 would be an accomplishment this year, so 7.5 doesn't bother me much. The biggest question is our OL. They improved at the end of the season, but they were so bad they could improve tremendously and still have a ways to go. My expectation is that they will start clicking about midseason, we will go on a nice run, and 2016 will be fantastic. What gives me some hope for this year is that our major opponents all face issues. Florida - new coach. Will take time to rebuild that offense even though he is an accomplished offensive coach. Uga - new QB and new OC Bammer - new QB and Lane Kiffin. Plus D not at their usual standards USC - we have shown we can handle the ole ball sack Arkansas - no vertical speed at WR. Offense thus limited I don't see a team on that list we are incapable of beating. Doesn't mean we get them all, or even a majority, but I do think we beat a team or two we are not supposed to. Heck, we almost beat uga two years in a row anyway.  |
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2015, 06:12:43 EDT » |
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Agree completely, I think he will throw in a couple of clunkers but will balance out with some real gems. Overall, good but not great week in--week out, but capable of beating anyone on those "gem" days. QBs are so crucial for upsets . . . and I'm not sure there's a QB in the conference that is as capable of being that wildcard as Dobbs is. I don't think he's an every-week-great-QB but he is capable of winning a game with big plays.
If he's healthy he gives us a puncher's chance even against the best teams on the schedule. If we got to the SECC somehow I wouldn't bet against us for that reason.
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2015, 06:18:13 EDT » |
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I agree about Dobbs. And that's why, looking ahead, I'm a bit hesitant about 2017. Because while the rest of the roster will probably be loaded for bear, we're likely going to be breaking in a new QB. If we don't have our "breakout" championship year in '15 or '16, we may have to wait another couple years before the opportunity comes up again.
That's why I had no issues with Butch's attempt to redshirt him last year.
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2015, 06:21:07 EDT » |
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If the OL is good, 9 wins is a real possibility. If not, we'll have to fight for 8. If Dobbs gets dinged, we'll fight for everything. I can see why 7.5 would be set. We could win 10 or 7. Were I a bettor, I'd take the over, but I'm not.
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2015, 06:37:33 EDT » |
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Black Diamond Vol
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2015, 11:32:12 EDT » |
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The good news is the guys we may be breaking in for '17 are pretty talented and should, at that point, have at least gotten some mop up time on the field.
They are talented, and though I'm not looking forward to life without Dobbs, I AM interested to see those guys fight for the job. For the past decade, the term "QB battle" at UT has meant "Which 3 star will win the job by default when his compeition sharts the bed?". It will be fun to see a bunch of legitimately talented guys battle it out. |
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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2015, 01:26:54 EDT » |
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Hopefully it won't happen...but we are 1 play from having a true freshman playing QB. Never a good position to be in.
We need our WRs to be much better at beating man coverage....and our run game needs to be improved to keep Dobbs upright and not having to run much.
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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2015, 05:33:39 EDT » |
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I fixed the link. Or eliminated the redundant link.
Thank you. One of these days I may get the hang of these things.  |
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