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Apparently we're cheating. Yes, that's right. We can't even win when we cheat. :banghead:

https://fanrunradio.com/breaking-tennessee-football-under-investigation-by-compliance-and-ncaa/

That SOB cannot be dismissed quickly enough.  :bird:

Timing seems... Kinda planned?

Eh, so that's why Gray is not in the game.  Was wondering.  :banghead:

Hm,  that would be a firing for cause, right?  :eek:

Maybe, but here's the thing: You don't make a big show of firing Pruitt for cause only to turn around and replace him with Hugh Freeze. Talk about bad optics...

Good point. Still, it's a negotiating point.

Freeze is in the clear, isn't he?

I don't really see why anyone should care about optics at this point.

I have never trusted Niedermeyer. It wouldn't surprise me a bit if all of this is substantiated.

Personal take: I don't care about optics. The news cycle is so short it's immaterial.

That having been said, I might take Napier over Freeze. And yes, I'd take Art Briles over both IF he was just a scapegoat at Baylor. If not remove him from consideration.

Did you mean UNsubstantiated?   :confused:

No, I meant substantiated. It wouldn't surprise me if Niedermeyer is dirty.

It would really surprise me if he wasn't dirty.

That said, every program cheats.  Its common knowledge.  If UT were to use that to fire CJP with cause, or to negotiate down the buyout, I can't imagine that would endear the program to future coaching candidates.

Eh, who cares.  I'd roll the dice on that one for sure.

Eh, future coaching candidates might care. 

In case you've missed it, we've already had problems attracting proven coaches over the past decade plus.  I don't see that hiring CJP, negotiating a contract and buyout, and then using his staff's cheating as a means to wiggle out of said contract would definitely not improve UT's chances of attracting any proven coaches, especially since said coaches know that you have to cheat to win in college football.

Every program bends the rules. I do not subscribe to the theory that every school is committing the equivalent of major NCAA infractions.

Have we not attracted candidates, or just passed on good hires? We passed on Brian Kelly, Gary Patterson, and a few others.

I would hope that you are correct, CW.  My gut tells me, however, that all major players in college football are likely involved in illegal payments and gifts.

There was an article about bag men several years ago that was very damning to the major college football network.

murf, I would say some of both.

In hindsight, Patterson would have probably been a really good hire. 

I don't remember any proven coaches wanting the job when we hired Dooley, or Butch, or Pruitt.  I could very well be wrong about that, though.

ESPN mentioning the Amarius Mims' recruitment this year in their article on our predicament.  Hmmmmm.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ball-program-recruiting-practices-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ball-program-recruiting-practices-sources-say)

My take is, if they care, fizzle em.  Universities pay too much to fired losers as it is.  If a coach doesn't have enough confidence in himself that he has to have a big buyout in his contract, I don't want him anyway.  If that leads to no good coach coming here (as if any have?   :rolleyes:), then that's fine with me.  It's just a dam game anyway, and life is bigger than game that people put way too much energy into.

It's obscene that Butch Jones got $8 million for going 4-8 then shot a bird at the University for 3 years by being Saban's personal assistant for 30-35K a year.  There are people who have trouble putting food on the table.

Saban has said many times that he doesn't care if he has a buyout or not.  He actually didn't have one his first three seasons.  He does now, but his willingness to do without a buyout his first three seasons is one of the few things I respect about him.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/216529-lack-of-buyout-in-sabans-contract-much-ado-about-nothing

So there you go.  Bama got SABAN without a buyout.  What more do you need than that?   :dielaughing:

This.

I agree with all of this, although buyouts are a way of life in college football at the present time (whether I believe they should be or not).  The one thing I've learned from Covid-19 is that I was way too vested in sports.  I'm much less vested now than I was.  It is, indeed, just a game.

I agree with this even more than I agree with what you said above.

Again, we agree.

I don't think this is likely to happen in Knoxville.

Well I know you don't pay much attention to what we women say... but I was just informed that Pruitt may have lied to the UT compliance office and things aren't good in Knoxville... so take it for what is worth.  May be worth zilch... but that's what I was told.

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Well, I hope he didn't
But if he did, saves the school a LOT of $$$$

All this to lose to Ga State one year then go 3-7 the next.

Dude can't even cheat well.   :dunno:

That's a good point. I'd throw Leach in the "decent" category, but I can't remember any other options.

I wonder if increased salaries have made moves less likely. If you can make $2 million/year on a four year deal as the head coach at Iowa State, or $1 million/year as a coordinator at a solid program the need to move is less.

Welp, buckle up. Trey Wallace says more bad news to come on this front in the next few days. :frown:

Yep. 

Hearing that UT may "accept" the bowl bid today, but later in the week could back out. 

It's just time.  It's my belief that Poot and Fulmer will both be walking sooner rather than later. 

In the VolsWire article today, the NCAA guy in the article was questioning why this is made public before the investigation is complete, therefore crucifying the program and staff in the process. Look at how Florida handled their issue because nobody knew anything about it. It was after all the internal investigations were completed and their results/findings were provided to the media. Makes you wonder what is going on in this administration.

You are not the first to say this. Rucker tweeted it right after it broke, or something similar.

Knoxville media loves to do anything to hurt the program....Look at Adams over many years. Good point on FL...didn't known anything until this came out on the yesterday.