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Top 3 team now, great D, and just went into Norman and beat them. Kelly would have taken the UT job a few years ago had we offered.  :frown:

Thanks, Hammy!  :banghead:

Kelley has done a fine job, but I'm not sure I could make a great argument OU is any better than Miss State.

Hamilton was stupid! :crazy: :eek: :frown:

Except ND has won their games.

I absolutely agree we should have hired Kelley and he's a good coach. I was just throwing out he hasn't had as difficult a run. I'd also argue Stanford is better than MSU (and the officials may have blown the TD no call).

I'll also go back to my statement that if we had the 60th best defense college football Dooley's job would be safe.

Hm.  I think OU would beat down MSU after seeing MSU lose to bammer, which, much as it pains me to say it, is the only truly good team MSU has faced this year.

Now if MSU had beaten a team like USCe or uga, I might agree with you.

4 "elite" programs hired coaches going into 2010.  Notre Dame, FSU, USC, and Tennessee.   Looks like we fit better with the not so elite Kansas, Virginia, and Kentucky with our results.

All three of those inherited a much, much better situation than us, unfortunately.  All also have good coaches, other than USC.   :biggrin:

Which is why no one expected Tennessee to be in the national championship conversation with those other three this season. But winning just one game we weren't supposed to win over the course of the past three seasons would have been nice.

That's not a valid excuse in 2012.  We are talented enough to have beaten everyone but Bama this year. 

FSU was coming of 7-6, and Notre Dame 6-6.  Both were thought to be at historic lows talent-wise.  Now a good argument can still be made that their low talent was better than our low talent, but the argument remains that they are beating some pretty decent teams, we are not.

UT was the only one in that group going to their third coach in three years, while the others were replacing the original standing coach. Big difference with the extra transition cost of players leaving, etc. One even promoted from within.

I'll play.  I would argue that UT 2012 is where Notre Dame, FSU, and USC were in 2010, though you could argue that either way (by which I mean, you could argue that it was better, you could argue that it was worse).  Coming off a near-500 year with a reasonable talent level.

In 2010, I would argue we were far worse than them, and that this was compounded by injuries last year.

You could also make a good case that where ND, FSU and USC were in 2010 was comparable to UT in 2009.

To which....I present the 2010 records of those coaches, plus Kiffin's UT record in 2009

FSU/Fisher 10-4 ACC
USCw/Kiffin 8-5 Pac-10
ND/Kelly 8-5 Independent
UT/Kiffin 7-6 SEC

I also post the conferences as a reminder that the SEC is much tougher than definitely the ACC and also the Pac-10.  I don't know how tough ND's schedule was in 2010, but they usually have a fairly tough schedule.

If you accept the premise that this year is more like 2010, then I find Dooley's performance in-line with the others...IF he wins out, and that includes the bowl.

And FTR, my personal ratings of the coaches is Kelly, Fisher, Kiffin, Dooley, based mostly on this year, but I never thought Kiffin's 7-6 showing at UT was that great and I actually think Dooley could move past him.  Take away Monte and Kiffin loses now, IMO.