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A top shelf Coach like Strong,Petrino,Mike Riley,Butch Jones,Art Briles,Kyle Whittingham of Utah or BYU's Bronco Mendenhall would be a strong step forward! :wave:

OK, Gruden talk:

If Gruden decides to leave the $4.2 million per year that he is earning in media to re-enter the coaching ranks, he is likely going to be in either Philly or Cleveland. 

Really, there is nothing about his coming to UT or going to college football that makes sense. 

 

Gruden is a popular name in the NFL this Season. Dallas,San Diego,Tennessee Titans or Carolina could be possible landing spots :wave:

You know he has boyfriend potential!!

Perhaps, but this is just speculation too. Every person and every situation is different.

Perhaps Gruden is interested in developing players at an earlier stage based on his experience in the NFL? Perhaps he's more interested in the passion and energy of the college game? Perhaps he likes the idea of being a really big fish, even by the standards of our large SEC pond? Perhaps we've truly found a way to pay him bigger bucks than the NFL market will pay? Perhaps he and his wife really have a fondness for Knoxville?

Or perhaps none of those are the case and there's no chance of Gruden coming here. The bottom line is that none of us know. I will not truly believe any of the smoke until the fire is about to set me ablaze, but I think there are plenty of ways in which Gruden-to-UT can make sense for both parties.

You very well could see Him Coaching the Titans in 2013

Highly doubtful.

If Gruden is ready to get back in to coaching, Jimmy Haslam will offer him nearly twice what UT can pay him to get him to Cleveland. 

The fact that Gruden's wife is from Jefferson County is the only thing that makes any sense at all in speculating that he has an interest in coming to UT. 

That said, if they really wanted to move back to East Tennessee then what has kept them from doing so already?  A lot of national media folks live in other places besides where their "media" is based - Jerry Punch lives in Knoxville, Kirk Herbstriet lives in Nashville, Jimmy Johnson still lives in Miami - and still do their jobs well.  Those folks can pretty much live where they want to.   If living in East Tennessee were important to the Grudens, what has stopped them from moving here already? 

Gruden is an NFL coach.  He's never been in a recruit's home, he's never had to answer to an AD or University President, and he's never had to smooze boosters. 

Nothing makes sense to believe that he is likely to do that at this point in his career when he can make twice the money at his choice of pretty much any NFL job that will be opening up. 

  I don't think Gruden is out of this at all. Too many reports even from NFL folks stating his desire to coach at UT. Is it gonna happen, don't know, but I do think there's still a chance.
 After Gruden my choice would be Chip Kelly(but just can't see him leaving the west coast, and NIKE money for TN) after him would be Patterson, and I'm hearing a lot more talk about him being a top target(which I love). The man can recruit and coach to a big time level. I love the multiple spread the way TCU, and Oregon, and TAM run it. Of course anything that Saban hates I pretty much love, esp if it beats those arrogant tidy bowl cleaners. Most people think that a multiple spread is a pass happy offense like say the one Leach ran. But in reality it can be run heavy too like Oregon and TCU often are, just depends on the defense they're up against.
 Then it would be Peterson, Jeff Fisher, Strong......

Vinnie says Gruden is our guy....Vinnie would not say it if it wasn't true!!  :beer:

Well the Vol Elite on facebook is once again posting that Gruden is a done deal today...just waiting on the announcement of the Dooley firing to be done....just wanted to give Lyn something to get excited about again!

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Woo!!  :confused:

I think 101 makes a very good point about them being able to move to East Tennessee any time. They haven't so it seems unlikely. All I ask is that Hart a) not get creative and b) have everything ready to go the by Wednesday following the UK game.

I don't have the answers to any of these questions, Dad. I'm just not closing the door on it.

I have been following this rumor since it started and the case for Gruden to Tennessee is flimsy to say the least. Furthermore, some folks have stated unequivocally that Gruden is absolutely NOT coming.

One of the big arguments from the naysayers has to do with the potential for Gruden to get a NFL job. For example, Erin Andrews, on the 3HL yesterday, scoffed at the notion that Gruden would consider UT when so many NFL jobs will likely be available.

Now, Andrews may be right, but here’s the thing. She doesn’t know for sure. In fact, as Clockwork pointed out, every person and situation is different and none of the folks speaking out at this point can say for certain what is driving Gruden’s decision.

Bottom line, getting Gruden appears to be a longshot but there may be more at play than any of us realize. So while I will not get my hopes up that Gruden will coaching the Vols in 2013, I will not totally dismiss the idea until something more substantive comes to light.

And neither am I.  My point is that it doesn't make sense in any shape, form, or fashion, and there is no indication, other than internet message board talk, that it is going to happen.  

Stranger things may have happened, but I can't recall anything stranger than this would be.  The "fit" just isn't there for either side.  It would be like trying to put a square peg in a smaller round hole.  

  

Precisely. We don't know. Saying he won't come to UT because he is an NFL guy is just as much speculation as saying that he will come to UT because his wife is from East Tennessee and he started as a GA at UT. I think it's a very long shot that he comes to UT, but there are folks who are paid to analyze the NFL and know far more about these things than any single one of us posting on this forum who say he just might. And anyone who says unequivocally that he isn't coming to UT because he is an NFL guy with no interest in college are ignoring the fact that he was in serious discussions with Miami two years ago.

We agree on this:


but not on this:


And neither one of us is "right" because we don't know Jon Gruden or anyone who may be talking to him.

Fixed it for ya.   :biggrin:

No...I am holding you personally responsible for getting him here.  I'm giddy with excitement!!!  :dunno:

Gruden is ugly and is said to hate people with malodorous feet. :angel:

That's a lie!!  :pin:

Which part?   :confused:

Unless I missed it that's the first stinky feet reference in quite some time. Well done, MIAU.

I was impressed.  Indeed, well done.

Well played sir!  Well played.

I thought my iphone was going to melt looking at VQ and all the Gruden talk/sightings today. 

I still haven't decided if I'm going to watch the annual victory over the comodedoors or not but it will be interesting if the 1st half or the 2nd half defense shows up. 

I'm never posting here again!

Thank you, sir.  I thought I would go old school on y'all today.

OK, since you want to play, answer this question, and please use reason and logic:

Given that Gruden is an NFL guy - his only experience in college football was as a GA at UT (86 and 87) where by NCAA regs his role was limited (no recruiting, nothing off campus), and then a year each at Southeast Missouri and then a year at Pacific - why would it make sense for him to go back to college football when will be able to have his pick of several NFL jobs, making twice the money, working in an arena where his experience and expertise is?

20 years in the NFL, including 10 as a head coach.  Being a head coach in college football and in the NFL is an apples and bananas comparison.  

Like I said, there are just no sensible reasons why he either leaves what he is doing or turning down an NFL position to take a college position.  

Just trying to understand why there is such a buzz about something that doesn't make sense.  Other than the obligatory "his wife is from Jefferson County" answer, nothing that has been said makes sense about it.  

And it's not about being "right".  It's about being realistic. 

I think it's pointless to argue about it on the front end. All the rumors say he's in play. If you're right (and you can't tell me that being right isn't important to you) then he won't be the coach and they'll hire somebody else. Either way, who cares? Half the fun of coaching searches is the wild rumors. What does it matter to you if everybody thinks / hopes / believes he's coming?

Because he is the guy we want. We have seen articles and heard reports saying he would be interested so we think that it is awesome and why not UT....we have nothing exciting happening on the field so we pour our energy into a dream of Jon Gruden being our coach.  Why not?   :rolleyes:

I would never dream of doing otherwise!  :biggrin:


If he thinks like you, clearly it wouldn't make sense to him. But he thinks like Jon Gruden so it's a bit hard to say.


Au contraire. For some it's always about being right! And regarding "being realistic," what could be more realistic than acknowledging you cannot be in another man's head to know what does or doesn't make sense to him?

I can think of a few things that might interest him.

1) Some people like a challenge.  UT is clearly a challenge right now.

2) Some people like to be courted and walk into a situation as a "savior"

Why would anyone want to get inside your head??? :crazy:

Everyone was stunned when Spurrier quit

Everyone was surprised when Meyer quit FL

Everyone's jaw hit the floor when Bama got Saban.

Point is, there's no way to talk logically about something that we don't have first hand knowledge of. The Gruden rumors keep getting fueled, and not just by one or two sources. I don't know if they're BS or not, but things can happen, and it would not shock me for us to get him. No way for you to know that Cleveland even WANTS Gruden, or he'd even want to coach in that wasteland. No way for you to know that he isn't looking at Saban and saying "I can do that".

Was there a big buildup when Spurrier became Coach of Florida?

Nothing like when he left. he was coming from Duke to FL. A lot of people did think he'd turn FL around with his offense.

You also see stuff like this (click on segment 8)

http://washington.cbslocal.com/audio/354-the-sports-junkies/

"Jason La Canfora on NFL.com says that he believes that Jon Gruden is more interested in the Tennessee job than any NFL opening. He was on 106.7 in DC this morning."

...and you have to wonder.

UT benefits from the talk even if Gruden doesn't come. The more the association gets tossed about the more Gruden can command (thus benefitting him regardless of whether he goes to the NFL or stays at ESPN) and the hotter the opening seems. Perception is reality.

Why is Gruden such a favorite HC choice amongst Vol fans?  His HC record isn't all that great.  Sure, he won the Super Bowl in his first year at TB (with Monte Kiffin, Mike Tomlin and Raheem Morris coaching his D), but in the six years following he won only 47% of his regular season games, and without a playoff win.  Is it because you like his charasmatic personality, and think it projects well to recruiting?

I suppose he could turn out great at UT, but there is certainly the risk that he wouldn't. 

You forgot to add that he won the Super Bowl with Dungy's talent.

Pretty much my point of view.  I would say that he may not be that averse to coaching college, just that he won't for the money he would probably make.

I think we could do worse than Gruden though (see Kiffin or Dooley  :frown:).  He would be a big upgrade from our current or last coach.  I'd love to see him sneering on the sideline.  He has tremendous self confidence and it radiates from him to his teams, IMO.  He would probably also be a great recruiter.  Not sure he would win consistently in college, but like I said we could do worse.

The only way I would credit the rumors is if it turned out that he makes less than $4 million now.  I saw that figure in the mainstream media, but they do make mistakes sometimes.  It seems quite a bit for a Monday night color guy, to say the least, BWDIK.

You answered your own question.

Also Tampa was hamstrung by what they gave up to get him.

BanditVol on VTTW says that Jason La Canfora wants lots of hits on his blog from desperate Tennessee fans.   :naughty: