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Well you can certainly complain about the offensive line, and I have. As for the staff and the rest of the offense, I don't know what can be done as long as the line is as poor as it is.

I don't really care who complains about what, I just know I got my ass eat out by several people here last year for questioning the offensive philosophy and staff.

That int in the end zone,was obvious UF pass interference but throwing on first down in the red zone was just stupid.Then they did it again on the second int on first down in the red zone instead of running the ball..Worley should have never been throwing the ball in the first place on first down..even if they ran it 3 times and didn't gain a yard,a fg there would have won the game for us..but they got greedy instead of just pounding the rock  :confused:

i don't think throwing into the end zone on first down was or is ridicules.  Hell, Cut made a,living on doing that when he was here
Now the throw is a different manner. 

Well, he certainly should not have thrown it off his back foot like he did.

Yeah but Cut didn't have Worley as qb,starring the receiver down in the end zone..Points were at a premium in this game and that turnover most likely cost them at least 3 points and the game in my opinion

I'm just a fan that enjoys watching football and I've done that for several years. If I, along with literally millions of other people, can see that a true freshman tackle cannot block a defensive end one on one and needs a tight end beside him to help, then it is inexcusable that the offensive coaching staff cannot seem to grasp that very simple concept. I mean, it's not like they are using the tight end in the passing game, so I'm pretty sure he is available if they would just put him there. This is on Jones, too. This is his offensive scheme. He better figure out pretty quickly that there are some adjustments to be made or it will be his downfall at Tennessee. He can recruit all the players he wants, but if he doesn't find a way to start coaching around the deficiencies on the team, then he will not survive in the long run. I really don't give a shizzle who is coaching Tennessee, so if he fails then whatever, bring on the next one. I would prefer he succeed, as I'm quite tired of being patient. He will have to to change that infallible philosophy for the next couple of years, though. His system is not working consistently at all. If the players don't make great plays then the offense goes nowhere. That's not good scheme at all. I'll be hoping that progress is shown on the offense the rest of the year like the defense has shown at this point. They are just as young on that side of the ball and playing light years ahead of the offense to this point. That should make it pretty clear at where the coaching is falling short.

 The personnel has never been the whole problem. I am LMAO how the experts here are now griping about the OC and the play calls.    :dielaughing:

The only thing I've seen anyone do here expertly is defend coaches and denigrate fellow fans. This board is stunningly efficient at that task.

Ditto.  One can see a great contrast between this OL and last year's, which I believe IV also complained about.   :wave:

The problem I have with the criticism is that no one was complaining after Georgia, were they? Nor any of our other games.  Or only a very few were.

This was one bad game, and we have an entirely new OL.  Further, even though UF got blown out by Bammer in the past Muschamp has proven he can coach defense.  They are much healthier this year and I expect them to have a winning season and go to a bowl game this year if Driskel is sitting.

There is plenty of time for the team to learn from this, correct mistakes, and move on.

I predicted 5-7 at the start of the season primarily due to our lack of experience on the lines, and I stick by that.  Next year, and particularly 2016, will be different in terms of my expectations.

OK, I will bite:  What contrast is there?  Last year's OL sent 4 guys to the NFL and it was a OL that completely underachieved.

I see way more similarities in the end result between last year and this year than I do contrasts. 

I believe it has more to do with offensive scheme and OL technique than who is actually up front right now.  Yeah, we are young and bad, but last year's OL was old and underachieved. 

Actually my main observation was about some questionable blocking assignments in the scheme. The most glaring was expecting the TE we had last year to cross the formation after the snap and be able to block Clowney or any other DE.

That is actually a fairly common scheme against a backside DE.  We ran it several times effectively against UGA last week.

I didn't say anything about last week here. I haven't said anything about anything here since last year besides offering condolences or well wishes to people. Probably could count what I have posted on 1 hand. I was just waiting for others to start making comments about the offensive performance so I would know when it was ok to note the same issues.

I don't think anyone expected much more than 6-6 at most. The problem is we are going to have to win some conference games to make a bowl game. Whether or not anyone expected to win the UGA or UF game before the season, the facts are we gave 2 games away we should have won. You can point to a lot of things in close games that contribute to losses or wins. With the sample size we have between last year and this I see some good and some that have not changed. We definitely play harder and compete hard which is a big thing. The defense is playing much better than their talent, which is a product of proper coaching. The offense has looked some better against outmanned teams with improved weapons, Hurd and Smith being the two biggest upgrades so far. The OL has been bad, but they are very young but mostly inexperienced. The offense played pretty good at UGA except in the 3rd quarter where we blew a chance to win the game in the 3rd quarter by not scoring when we had field position for a large portion of it. Part of that was because Worley was hurt and part of it was we crapped the bed with play calling. Worley was having probably his best day and we did not let him throw the ball except for 3rd and long which we cannot do because of our OL issues. That and we refuse to give the tackles the help they need in those situations, or roll the pocket etc. It is like watching the 99 uf game where we refused to change anything and let Alex Brown kill us the whole game.

I don't think the record matters this year as far as recruiting goes. I think we still have a really good class regardless. A bowl game might help a little, but not much. If we don't show something next year, the negative recruiting may start having an effect. We are in reality 2 or 3 more really good classes away from having real SECC level talent in all phases. With that said a good coach can overcome some problems to steal a win, like the Carolina game last year. I think we are trending up but I need to see more from the offensive staff before I am a believer in them.  

It all depends on the end or the capability of the TE, common or not.

We are a left hand dominate running team at the moment.  If we lineup strong left and run any kind of counter scheme you can bet the farm the TE (or Wing TE if we are running double TEs) is crossing to block the back side.

Interestingly, most (not all) actual fly sweeps are to the right.

Another factoid, showing where the Pearson injury impacts us - When we ran double slots Saturday almost always the 2nd slot was Helm (one of the few times it wasn't resulted in possibly our longest pass completion, to Johnson).

Our TE depth chart Saturday appeared to be Wolf, Helm, Ellis (was in on a 3 TE set).  Not sure if the TE you were referring to was ever on the field on offense

People criticizing the OL last year were not dealing with reality.  We had our best running game  since 1998!  What other stat are you going to point to, may I ask?

I don't think you know enough about football to be handing out lessons. You certainly don't know enough to be so condescending about it. You would benefit from being kinder to those you address.

 :kiss2:IIf you ever played and/or studied the game and thus provided any, repeat ANY backup to your whining and bitching your posts might be considered.  I did note you did not have a DAMN THING TO SAY while the team was playing WELL but the first time there was a let down you were back whining and bitching, not about the team but about your perceived persecution.

I try to add justification to my positions.  If that doesn't seem "nice"' then that is YOUR freaking problem, not mine.

You are back on it ignore till you are ready to speak with any intelligence about the football team and/or the coaches

Not dealing with reality?  Bandit, in 2013 UT"s offense was 9th in the SEC in rushing yards, 13th in passing offense, 12th in total offense, and 11th in scoring offense.  

No offense, but who's not dealing with reality here?  Those numbers don't lie.  

12th in total offense.  Out of 14 teams.  Given that there were 4 from that OL in NFL camps this pre-season, there is no way anybody with a clue can say that criticizing that OL is anything other than warranted.  

I think there is no doubt the OL underperformed last year.  There was a comment or two this spring (I think) attributed to the staff that made oblique reference to the line last year not "buying in"

I can understand the SR laden line on their 3rd or so OL coach being a bit reserved in accepting yet another new scheme, probably one that did not match their body types when implemented.

Yes there were fewer sacks and we had a 1,000 yard rusher but the line had far too many struggles at times for such a talented group (see draft positions).

Well I was done but............Speaking of back up.....lets back up to last year......one of us made observations about the offense and one was stuck on the defense as the main issue........which one turned out better this year and which one did not? I think that is sufficient backup, but you go ahead and tell me how that is not correct.

I suspect he was like me in not commenting before. I was waiting on you twits to start complaining about the offensive staff before I said anything. After the correctly perceived persecution (persecution is not my word it is yours) I was waiting for this. If that bothers you then I am not sorry.

I never said they didn't underperform...a bit.  But many comments were along the lines of "they suck".  They only way they "sucked" was in an alternate universe where reality does not matter.

Ditto:  You are back on it ignore till you are ready to speak with any intelligence about the football team and/or the coaches

Our offense overall sucked, that's for sure.  But given that we returned only SEVENTEEN TOTAL CATCHES at WR, Worley was relatively unproven and rusty, and our tailbacks were above average but not great, I expected us to suck overall and we did.  But that hardly means the  O line "sucked".

By any objective measure they did well (though I don't deny they could have been better).

Its true we were ninth in the SEC running the ball,  but it was basically a tie with Ole Miss and MSU, who both had a yard or less per game than us.

That still sounds mediocre, but it's a bit misleading, because as everyone knows, the SEC is the best conference in football and there were some great running games last year.  Mostly Auburn and Mizzou, but bammer was their usual good at running and since Arkansas ran on almost every play, they were ahead of us also.

My comparison was to previous years...and as I said (which perhaps is a bit sad) had the best rush O at Tennessee since 1998.
We were 44th in the country running the ball...maybe that says more about the last 15 years than it does last season.

We were 2nd in the SEC and 21st in the country in sacks allowed.

What i am saying is that although the O line could have done better, they were hardly the main problem last year and I would take them back...underperforming or no...in a heartbeat this year.  If we had last year's OL we would have beyotch slapped the gators Saturday.

9th, 12th, 11th, and 13th - OUT OF A 14 FRICKIN' TEAM LEAGUE! 

If that's doing well by any objective measure, then the words "objective measure" means something totally different in your world than in the real world.   :box:

Geez, you are stubborn.  Admit you are wrong.  Just do it!  You'll feel a lot better in the long run.   :naughty:

Read my post again...I didn't say our OFFENSE didn't suck.  It did! It most assuredly did. 

What I did say is...underperforming or no, the O Line was not the problem.

Worley started slowly then got injured and our WRs were green Consequently our passing game sucked most of the year.

But our running game was average by SEC standards and above average by national standards and we didn't get sacked much.  Those are the objective things I look at when judging the O line.  Just saying.

Doesn't matter, it was last year.  We can all agree that this year's line is atrocious.  But they will come along.   :biggrin: