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Title: Is it me, or is our offense not looking a lot like a mid-90's Spurrier team?
Post by: 10EC on August 02, 2012, 03:33:51 EDT
Pass to set up the run....

This isn't the type of program I grew up on, but I am willing to give it a chance.


Title: Re: Is it me, or is our offense not looking a lot like a mid-90's Spurrier team?
Post by: ReVOLver on August 02, 2012, 04:01:44 EDT
Different scheme than Spurrier's Florida teams, but that is likely.


Title: Re: Is it me, or is our offense not looking a lot like a mid-90's Spurrier team?
Post by: 10EC on August 02, 2012, 04:22:49 EDT
Different scheme than Spurrier's Florida teams, but that is likely.
Curious what you mean by scheme differences...  Spurrier was the Debil in getting the timing on those fade routes down to milliseconds.  It was sick as an opposing fan to watch, but really impressive.


Title: Re: Is it me, or is our offense not looking a lot like a mid-90's Spurrier team?
Post by: ReVOLver on August 02, 2012, 04:30:24 EDT
Curious what you mean by scheme differences...  Spurrier was the Debil in getting the timing on those fade routes down to milliseconds.  It was sick as an opposing fan to watch, but really impressive.

Everything in Spurrier's offense was about timing and throwing to spots. They had some special WRs but they weren't the big, strong, beat man coverage type of wideout. The Vols this year will do a lot of short stuff in the middle trying to get good matchups with speed and size and they will throw vertical. Tyler is going to throw it up and let receivers make plays. Spurrier never allowed his QBs to do that because their receivers weren't those type of receivers.


Title: Re: Is it me, or is our offense not looking a lot like a mid-90's Spurrier team?
Post by: 10EC on August 02, 2012, 04:36:50 EDT
Everything in Spurrier's offense was about timing and throwing to spots. They had some special WRs but they weren't the big, strong, beat man coverage type of wideout. The Vols this year will do a lot of short stuff in the middle trying to get good matchups with speed and size and they will throw vertical. Tyler is going to throw it up and let receivers make plays. Spurrier never allowed his QBs to do that because their receivers weren't those type of receivers.
Gotcha.  Makes sense.  thanks


Title: Re: Is it me, or is our offense not looking a lot like a mid-90's Spurrier team?
Post by: Clockwork Orange on August 02, 2012, 04:40:33 EDT
Everything in Spurrier's offense was about timing and throwing to spots. They had some special WRs but they weren't the big, strong, beat man coverage type of wideout. The Vols this year will do a lot of short stuff in the middle trying to get good matchups with speed and size and they will throw vertical. Tyler is going to throw it up and let receivers make plays. Spurrier never allowed his QBs to do that because their receivers weren't those type of receivers.

They had a show on ESPNU, I believe, about the 1992 SEC championship game and a simple route combo that Florida abused all game long. It was the smash or hi-lo concept, where two men were on the short side of the field, and the outside guy ran a stop/hitch and the inside guy ran a corner. Alabama's cornerback either had to guess and risk giving up a big play or split the difference and make both routes somewhat open. Florida ate Bama's lunch repeatedly on that simple combo until Antonio Langham finally decided to guess on the hitch and got a pick six that won the game. That easily could have been a big play for Florida instead, had Matthews read Langham better.

At any rate, I think that story exemplifies what Spurrier was all about-- simple routes, simple reads, and timing, all designed to force the defense into an extremely difficult field to cover. It didn't take a great QB or great WR, which was good for FL because they didn't always have either.


Title: Re: Is it me, or is our offense not looking a lot like a mid-90's Spurrier team?
Post by: Ridge Runner on August 02, 2012, 05:57:58 EDT
I just want for us to be able to run the ball effectively, whether the percentage of run plays is 20% or 80%. I would prefer an offense that was a smash-mouth, pound-the-rock, eat-up-the-clock and wear-down-the-D type. But I know that's not what we're going to put on the field. So be it. We do have a lot of weapons at WR and TE and a QB that has the potential to be very good. But for us to win, we're going to have to be able to run in certain situations. We're going to have to run to be able to keep the D honest and off-balance, so they won't just be able to focus on rusing the passer. Last year we averaged a pathetic 2.8 YPC. If we can get that up to at least 4.0, it will do a lot to take the pressure off the passing game.


Title: Re: Is it me, or is our offense not looking a lot like a mid-90's Spurrier team?
Post by: ReVOLver on August 02, 2012, 06:07:20 EDT
I just want for us to be able to run the ball effectively, whether the percentage of run plays is 20% or 80%. I would prefer an offense that was a smash-mouth, pound-the-rock, eat-up-the-clock and wear-down-the-D type. But I know that's not what we're going to put on the field. So be it. We do have a lot of weapons at WR and TE and a QB that has the potential to be very good. But for us to win, we're going to have to be able to run in certain situations. We're going to have to run to be able to keep the D honest and off-balance, so they won't just be able to focus on rusing the passer. Last year we averaged a pathetic 2.8 YPC. If we can get that up to at least 4.0, it will do a lot to take the pressure off the passing game.

Agreed. Even if the run is secondary, 4.0 YPC or greater will be acceptable. You have to be able to run to close out games when you get a lead.


Title: Re: Is it me, or is our offense not looking a lot like a mid-90's Spurrier team?
Post by: Inspector Vol on August 02, 2012, 06:19:39 EDT
Have to be able to line up and punch it in at the goal line and on 3rd and 1 especially late in the game.


Title: Re: Is it me, or is our offense not looking a lot like a mid-90's Spurrier team?
Post by: BanditVol on August 03, 2012, 02:36:55 EDT
Having at least a semblence of a run game is definitely the key to our offense this season.

What I fear is that Chaney just doesn't emphasize it enough in practice or to the team.  Leadership does matter, and if the team senses Chaney doesn't give a rip about the run game, you can pretty much expect the performance to follow.  I just hope that Dooley and the new staff counter any bias he might have, or that he gets a clue and really stresses it this year.