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Title: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: ReVOLver on December 29, 2011, 10:55:51 EST
but will release him to the MAC schools.

I understand where Dooley is coming from on this in a way... if you are going home because of your dad then the school shouldn't matter... but it's not like it's Florida or Alabama. We don't play Michigan or MSU. If he doesn't release him to any Michigan school, he comes off as extremely petty and I won't tow the company line on it. Frankly holding the kid back from going where he wants to go in his home state if his dad is sick is a bullshizzle move that will generate an extremely high amount of negative PR for the University... Dooley needs to get the hell over it and concentrate on winning some damn football games with the guys he has.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on December 29, 2011, 10:59:17 EST
Agree.  I figured we'd be seeing him in the Big 10 next season, and he would have a chance to do very well there.  And if we have to face him down the line in a bowl game somewhere?  GREAT!  That would mean we actually MADE a bowl.  Let the kid go, CDD. :frown:


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: ReVOLver on December 29, 2011, 11:04:37 EST
Agree.  I figured we'd be seeing him in the Big 10 next season, and he would have a chance to do very well there.  And if we have to face him down the line in a bowl game somewhere?  GREAT!  That would mean we actually MADE a bowl.  Let the kid go, CDD. :frown:

These are the types of things that make me think that Dooley is over his head. He gets caught up in things that don't mean jack. Would his mentor fight this fight? No freakin' way.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: VinnieVOL on December 29, 2011, 11:15:22 EST
Utterly ridiculous and supports my feelings that he's not a players coach.  I know we don't know the whole story, but I can't think of any good reason for DD not to let the kid go to a homestate school when he's leaving to be with his sick Dad.

Good grief, Dooley.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: SmokeyJoe on December 30, 2011, 12:06:36 EST
Bad PR for sure.  Makes no sense based on what little l know.  :frown:


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: volmeister on December 30, 2011, 12:24:55 EST
but will release him to the MAC schools.

I understand where Dooley is coming from on this in a way... if you are going home because of your dad then the school shouldn't matter... but it's not like it's Florida or Alabama. We don't play Michigan or MSU. If he doesn't release him to any Michigan school, he comes off as extremely petty and I won't tow the company line on it. Frankly holding the kid back from going where he wants to go in his home state if his dad is sick is a bullshizzle move that will generate an extremely high amount of negative PR for the University... Dooley needs to get the hell over it and concentrate on winning some damn football games with the guys he has.

Why does Dooley care if Arnett ends up at MSU or UM?  I thought he embarrassed the school with Bryce Brown and Aaron Douglas, and now he is at it again.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on December 30, 2011, 01:49:52 EST
Why does Dooley care if Arnett ends up at MSU or UM?  I thought he embarrassed the school with Bryce Brown and Aaron Douglas, and now he is at it again.

I actually supported Dooley in those two cases.  I think he was right to hold them responsible for their own actions and decisions.  But this?  This just seems petty. :frown:


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: BigOrange Maniac on December 30, 2011, 02:08:50 EST
Dooley is on thin ice with me and this doesn't help. Actually, it pisses me off. The guy,s dad is sick. Let him go and get over it. Hart needs to step in.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: WoodstockVol on December 30, 2011, 03:06:25 EST
Arnett should have been released to go to Michigan or Michigan State because It's near His sick Father. This makes Dooley look like a heartless #badword#,JMO :rolleyes:


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: ReVOLver on December 30, 2011, 04:04:57 EST
I actually supported Dooley in those two cases.  I think he was right to hold them responsible for their own actions and decisions.  But this?  This just seems petty. :frown:

I agree on Brown and Douglas. Brown basically quit and didn't give Dooley the courtesy of a face to face meeting. Douglas wanted to go to USC with Kiffin. Both deserved to have their feet held to the fire.

The Arnett situation just makes no sense whatsoever. Releasing him to any Michigan school does not hurt Tennessee in the slightest. The kid leaving hurts Tennessee, whether he's going to CMU or UM... but it's just one kid. Just let him go.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: murfvol on December 30, 2011, 04:57:17 EST
This will tick me off worse than any loss. Family comes waaaaay before football and Dooley should do the right thing.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: 3beans on December 30, 2011, 05:24:49 EST
Wow.  Sometimes I think it's best to wait and see what is really happening.  This is the first I have heard of Arnett leaving.  To bad really.  He had made some noise this year and I think he would of been a real threat next year. 

First of all, has Dooley even spoken on this matter?  It seems to me that everyone is on a feeding frenzy of internet rumors.  This happens a lot in the internet age.  I would like to wait until I hear what he has to say before I get all worked up.  If he declines Arnetts request then we can form a true opinion.  Right now, this is all just speculation.  This reminds me of the 'bump' that was leaked out about Pearl that was used to undermine him.  Then after all was said and done we find out the 'bump' was not real.  All I have to say is Chill Out folks.  It's the week between Christmas and the new year.  Is Dooley even in town right now?  Not only that, it's the end of the recruiting season when rumors are flying everywhere.  How bout we just tone it down a notch and enjoy the season.  There is no rush on this subject at all.  Go enjoy the bowl games.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: ReVOLver on December 30, 2011, 05:34:34 EST
Wow.  Sometimes I think it's best to wait and see what is really happening.  This is the first I have heard of Arnett leaving.  To bad really.  He had made some noise this year and I think he would of been a real threat next year. 

First of all, has Dooley even spoken on this matter?  It seems to me that everyone is on a feeding frenzy of internet rumors.  This happens a lot in the internet age.  I would like to wait until I hear what he has to say before I get all worked up.  If he declines Arnetts request then we can form a true opinion.  Right now, this is all just speculation.  This reminds me of the 'bump' that was leaked out about Pearl that was used to undermine him.  Then after all was said and done we find out the 'bump' was not real.  All I have to say is Chill Out folks.  It's the week between Christmas and the new year.  Is Dooley even in town right now?  Not only that, it's the end of the recruiting season when rumors are flying everywhere.  How bout we just tone it down a notch and enjoy the season.  There is no rush on this subject at all.  Go enjoy the bowl games.

The University has already released a statement on it verifying that it is true. http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2011/dec/29/ut-says-arnett-can-transfer-but-there-are/

With all due respect, how about familiarizing yourself with the story before assuming we are jumping at shadows? Or, how about you "tone it down a notch" with the preaching at everybody about how they should act or interpret a situation? I mean, if you are going to assume it is a rumor and we are all blindly jumping on it, you could take five minutes to see what the local paper is saying on the matter rather than just assuming that because it's posted on the Internet that it's not true.

Now... if you want to take the side of Dooley and UT as far as the release goes, feel free. But I'm SO OVER posts that paint themselves as voices that cry out in the wilderness.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: EmerilVOL on December 30, 2011, 06:42:17 EST
but will release him to the MAC schools.

I understand where Dooley is coming from on this in a way... if you are going home because of your dad then the school shouldn't matter... but it's not like it's Florida or Alabama. We don't play Michigan or MSU. If he doesn't release him to any Michigan school, he comes off as extremely petty and I won't tow the company line on it. Frankly holding the kid back from going where he wants to go in his home state if his dad is sick is a bullshizzle move that will generate an extremely high amount of negative PR for the University... Dooley needs to get the hell over it and concentrate on winning some damn football games with the guys he has.

Some more information is coming out about this situation that I think is germane to the issue and why Dooley is restricting the transfer to a degree.  Apparently several of the Coaching Staff visited with the Arnetts while on a recruiting vist and apparently Arnett has not been totally forthcoming on his twitter page concerning the fact that he had not had contact with his father until about a month ago.... While this is being reported on other sites and it is not confirmed, if so this could lead one to suspect Dooley knows more about the situation with Arnett than what is being reported in the Knoxville Fish Wrapper and John Adams public UT Bashing machine and in other PR outlets around the country. 

While I am in a wait and see approach to this if Dooley did not grant the young man his release to anywhere on some planes is disturbing we do not know all the facts so I am in a wait and see approach at the moment!

Just my humble $3.05 a Gallon of Gas opinion!

EmerilVOL


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on December 30, 2011, 06:47:00 EST
Apparently Dooley's philosophy is not to release guys to programs we "compete against or recruit against".  Yet he is releasing Arnett to the MAC.  So would he also block a kid from transferring to Central Florida, East Carolina, Wake Forest, MTSU, Troy State, UAB, or Tulane?  Because those are all schools that some of our current commits had under consideration before choosing UT.  I hope none of our current targets start taking a look at Eastern Michigan, or Arnett's options could shrink even further. :frown:


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: BigOrange Maniac on December 30, 2011, 07:06:02 EST
Apparently Dooley's philosophy is not to release guys to programs we "compete against or recruit against".  Yet he is releasing Arnett to the MAC.  So would he also block a kid from transferring to Central Florida, East Carolina, Wake Forest, MTSU, Troy State, UAB, or Tulane?  Because those are all schools that some of our current commits had under consideration before choosing UT.  I hope none of our current targets start taking a look at Eastern Michigan, or Arnett's options could shrink even further. :frown:

Lol  :laugh:


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: Inspector Vol on December 30, 2011, 07:17:34 EST
This is what I am doing as well.

Some more information is coming out about this situation that I think is germane to the issue and why Dooley is restricting the transfer to a degree.  Apparently several of the Coaching Staff visited with the Arnetts while on a recruiting vist and apparently Arnett has not been totally forthcoming on his twitter page concerning the fact that he had not had contact with his father until about a month ago.... While this is being reported on other sites and it is not confirmed, if so this could lead one to suspect Dooley knows more about the situation with Arnett than what is being reported in the Knoxville Fish Wrapper and John Adams public UT Bashing machine and in other PR outlets around the country. 

While I am in a wait and see approach to this if Dooley did not grant the young man his release to anywhere on some planes is disturbing we do not know all the facts so I am in a wait and see approach at the moment!

Just my humble $3.05 a Gallon of Gas opinion!

EmerilVOL



Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: SmokeyJoe on December 30, 2011, 09:31:36 EST
Some more information is coming out about this situation that I think is germane to the issue and why Dooley is restricting the transfer to a degree.  Apparently several of the Coaching Staff visited with the Arnetts while on a recruiting vist and apparently Arnett has not been totally forthcoming on his twitter page concerning the fact that he had not had contact with his father until about a month ago.... While this is being reported on other sites and it is not confirmed, if so this could lead one to suspect Dooley knows more about the situation with Arnett than what is being reported in the Knoxville Fish Wrapper and John Adams public UT Bashing machine and in other PR outlets around the country. 

While I am in a wait and see approach to this if Dooley did not grant the young man his release to anywhere on some planes is disturbing we do not know all the facts so I am in a wait and see approach at the moment!

Just my humble $3.05 a Gallon of Gas opinion!

EmerilVOL


I am hoping this may be the case.  More to it than we know.  Because otherwise, it makes Dooley, and UT look bad.  Anyway, I don't keep up with every single tidbit of info re: UT and the players.  So I will just wait and see, too.   :powert:


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: Volznut on December 31, 2011, 02:13:56 EST
My take - Dooley's following their policy of not releasing any kid to a school that they compete on the field or in recruiting against.  It's policy and he's not going to make changes. Also, from all indications, Arnett was wanting to leave for "other reasons" as well. He can go to Mich or Mich state, but pay a year - maybe get a loan. This serves as a reminder that decisions you make shape your life, and there are consequences to them. His dad was in poor health last year when he committed to UT.





Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: volmeister on December 31, 2011, 03:02:52 EST
My take - Dooley's following their policy of not releasing any kid to a school that they compete on the field or in recruiting against.  It's policy and he's not going to make changes. Also, from all indications, Arnett was wanting to leave for "other reasons" as well. He can go to Mich or Mich state, but pay a year - maybe get a loan. This serves as a reminder that decisions you make shape your life, and there are consequences to them. His dad was in poor health last year when he committed to UT.





What policy was in effect when Bullard transferred to UT?  Like it or not, it makes DD look like a hypocrite.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: PirateVOL on December 31, 2011, 04:01:55 EST
What policy was in effect when Bullard transferred to UT?  Like it or not, it makes DD look like a hypocrite.
What does Bullard's transfer from Notre Dame got to do with Dooley's policy? 

I was not aware that Dooley also set Notre Dame's policy on transfers  :wtf:

Dooley has been consistent.  One may or may not agree with the policy but Dooley has been CONSISTENT in it's implementation


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: Volznut on December 31, 2011, 06:19:00 EST
What policy was in effect when Bullard transferred to UT?  Like it or not, it makes DD look like a hypocrite.

I don't know, that would be ND's policy and has nothing to do with UT

And Bullard was a walk on this yr and paid his own way


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: ReVOLver on December 31, 2011, 06:33:50 EST
Walk that company line, boys. Be my guest. I won't do it. 20 years of being a homer has me watching mediocre to bad football every week. I think Dooley is wrong, but I see the apologists are out in full force. Meanwhile next year when we go 6-6, at least he didn't let Arnett transfer to Michigan!!!


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: ReVOLver on December 31, 2011, 06:40:22 EST
Guys, we have to hold everyone to the same set of rules and standards or it'll be mass anarchy!! Well, except Janzen Jackson, who gets 3 chances when everybody else would only get one!

That stuff about precedent is BS. Every situation is different. If it's about Arnett just wanting out and not about his dad, don't release him at all. Stop playing the BS childish conditional release games in a battle you cannot win in the court of public opinion.

But hey... We have to find a way to take up for everything these days I guess.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: BigOrange Maniac on December 31, 2011, 02:18:55 EST
School policy doesn't matter. Consequences for Arnett's decision do not matter. His true intent doesn't matter.

What matters is that Tennessee will be slaughtered over this in the court of public opinion. If we were Alabama or LSU, maybe we could say "screw what everyone else thinks!!" Obviously we're not at that point right now.

Besides, there is such a thing as doing the right thing. Because maybe, just maybe, Arnett is telling the truth. Maybe he really does want to be closer to his very sick father — who probably won't live many more years — instead of being in school thousands of miles away and getting to see him only a few times each year. Are we really going to deny him that opportunity because it's our "policy"? Really?


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: VinnieVOL on December 31, 2011, 02:21:31 EST
Guys, we have to hold everyone to the same set of rules and standards or it'll be mass anarchy!! Well, except Janzen Jackson, who gets 3 chances when everybody else would only get one!

EXACTLY.  The JJ situation says it all.  


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: volmeister on December 31, 2011, 02:43:36 EST
Guys, we have to hold everyone to the same set of rules and standards or it'll be mass anarchy!! Well, except Janzen Jackson, who gets 3 chances when everybody else would only get one!

That stuff about precedent is BS. Every situation is different. If it's about Arnett just wanting out and not about his dad, don't release him at all. Stop playing the BS childish conditional release games in a battle you cannot win in the court of public opinion.

But hey... We have to find a way to take up for everything these days I guess.

+1

Also, we are taking a beating PR wise and for what?  I don't see an upside to this, Arnett is gone regardless, so at the end of the day, all we get out of this is some bad publicity.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: Oldvol75 on December 31, 2011, 04:33:36 EST
What I don't understand is why specifically he wants UM and MSU? If its truly about hits dad, why not just go to the nearest available school? If what some of the things that I'm hearing about CCB are true, then there is a lot more out there than we know at the present time. Is it more about Baggett leaving and being homesick? If it true that MSU has contacted him already, against what the NCI says, then there are bigger problems. I agree that it doesn't look good on the surface, but when it all comes out we will have the big picture.

Lots have looked over that CDD did in fact grant a release, but just not to UM or MSU. He didn't even have to grant a release period until Arnett's first year was completed. Remember Bobby Bowden didn't release Brandon Warren to any school in the similar situation.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: 3beans on December 31, 2011, 04:34:42 EST
Talk about TOUCHY.  I was just suggesting that folks take a deep breath first.  But before I start PREACHING again.... :run: :run: :run:





Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: BanditVol on December 31, 2011, 05:58:04 EST
We are not really denying him the opportunity to transfer, just to go to MSU or Michigan.  I am not sure why Dooley won't let anyone have a release to someone "we are recruiting against".  So what if we recruit against them?  Heck, letting them have Arnett may even mean they back off on a recruit this year.

The policy doesn't really make sense to me, but I also agree that if it means that much to Arnett he can get a loan.  At least MSU and Michigan are in-state tuition.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: Volznut on December 31, 2011, 09:30:17 EST
School policy doesn't matter. Consequences for Arnett's decision do not matter. His true intent doesn't matter.

What matters is that Tennessee will be slaughtered over this in the court of public opinion. If we were Alabama or LSU, maybe we could say "screw what everyone else thinks!!" Obviously we're not at that point right now.

Besides, there is such a thing as doing the right thing. Because maybe, just maybe, Arnett is telling the truth. Maybe he really does want to be closer to his very sick father — who probably won't live many more years — instead of being in school thousands of miles away and getting to see him only a few times each year. Are we really going to deny him that opportunity because it's our "policy"? Really?

You don't open yourself up to umpteen transfers in Dooley's situation. You think maybe he wants to discourage transferring in his situation?


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: volmeister on December 31, 2011, 09:35:52 EST
You don't open yourself up to umpteen transfers in Dooley's situation. You think maybe he wants to discourage transferring in his situation?

If we have "umpteen" people that want to transfer, we are in even more trouble than I thought.  NCAA requires you to sit out a year if you transfer, that deters about 99% of players that consider leaving.  Dickey even put restrictions on Nick Lamison when he transfered out.   This whole thing just makes him look petty.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: BigOrange Maniac on December 31, 2011, 11:14:56 EST
You don't open yourself up to umpteen transfers in Dooley's situation. You think maybe he wants to discourage transferring in his situation?

Who says you have to use a cookie cutter on each transfer request? I think that's a weak excuse.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: PirateVOL on January 01, 2012, 02:03:16 EST
Who says you have to use a cookie cutter on each transfer request? I think that's a weak excuse.
On the other hand, he opens himself up by not having a common standard to use in transfer situations.  Bottom line IMO is he is in an unwinnable situation no matter how he handles transfers.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: Oldvol75 on January 01, 2012, 08:26:01 EST
Arnett has now added Notre Dame to his wish list. It's looking more and more like it has nothing to do with his dad if this is true.


Title: Re: Arnett telling Joe Schad that UT won't release him to Michigan or MSU
Post by: volmeister on January 01, 2012, 09:29:52 EST
Arnett has now added Notre Dame to his wish list. It's looking more and more like it has nothing to do with his dad if this is true.

Notre Dame is only 88 miles farther from his home town than Western Michigan, a school that DD released him to.