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Title: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on October 02, 2011, 05:45:20 EDT
Barring something freaky (and that's always a possibility when Les Miles is involved), LSU and Bama are going to run the table other than when they play each other.  If they don't get a rematch in the BCSCG, how can you even call it a championship game?


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: ReVOLver on October 02, 2011, 05:49:33 EDT
I just don't think LSU is good enough on offense to call them a no-brainer as top of the heap. I sense that LSU is going to find a way to screw something up against somebody besides Bammer.

But Alabama just keeps rolling. Saban is a machine. I just keep hoping they get caught cheating again to be honest. They are very well coached and ridiculously talented.


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on October 02, 2011, 05:56:47 EDT
I just don't think LSU is good enough on offense to call them a no-brainer as top of the heap. I sense that LSU is going to find a way to screw something up against somebody besides Bammer.

But Alabama just keeps rolling. Saban is a machine. I just keep hoping they get caught cheating again to be honest. They are very well coached and ridiculously talented.

I hate to admit it, but I really like watching Bammer under Saban.  Ethical or not (and my money is on the latter), he is the best SEC coach I've seen in decades.  His teams are always better conditioned, better discplined, better prepared.  That was a 28 point win in Gainesville, and it wasn't really even THAT close.  Sheesh. :wow:


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: ReVOLver on October 02, 2011, 06:12:34 EDT
I hate to admit it, but I really like watching Bammer under Saban.  Ethical or not (and my money is on the latter), he is the best SEC coach I've seen in decades.  His teams are always better conditioned, better discplined, better prepared.  That was a 28 point win in Gainesville, and it wasn't really even THAT close.  Sheesh. :wow:

Yep. They play the brand of football I love to watch.


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: VinnieVOL on October 02, 2011, 02:15:17 EDT
I will add that Wisconsin looks pretty dang good as well.


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: BigOrange Maniac on October 02, 2011, 03:44:50 EDT
I hate to admit it, but I really like watching Bammer under Saban.  Ethical or not (and my money is on the latter), he is the best SEC coach I've seen in decades.  His teams are always better conditioned, better discplined, better prepared.  That was a 28 point win in Gainesville, and it wasn't really even THAT close.  Sheesh. :wow:

Same here. They're fun to watch. Especially on defense...very well disciplined play.


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on October 02, 2011, 04:08:42 EDT
I will add that Wisconsin looks pretty dang good as well.

Name your team:  Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Boise, Clemson, whoever.  I'd take the Bama/LSU loser over them by at least two TDs.  I think the SEC has earned the benefit of the doubt. 


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: BigOrange Maniac on October 02, 2011, 04:15:41 EDT
Name your team:  Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Boise, Clemson, whoever.  I'd take the Bama/LSU loser over them by at least two TDs.  I think the SEC has earned the benefit of the doubt. 

Alabama is going to beat LSU. Whether or not they're the two best teams in college football, they're going to get their shot at each other. I prefer to give some other team a shot in the BCSNCG.


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on October 02, 2011, 04:20:42 EDT
Alabama is going to beat LSU. Whether or not they're the two best teams in college football, they're going to get their shot at each other. I prefer to give some other team a shot in the BCSNCG.

Okay, let's assume you're right.  That game is at Bama.  If LSU loses a close game in the final seconds, wouldn't you like to see a rematch on a neutral field?  Wouldn't that be a better matchup than watching Bama skulldrag some big 10 pretender?


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: volmeister on October 02, 2011, 04:42:33 EDT
Yep. They play the brand of football I love to watch.

They aren't invincible though.  Florida was moving the ball through the air before Brantley got hurt.


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: Quasi EVol on October 02, 2011, 05:12:34 EDT
Okay, let's assume you're right.  That game is at Bama.  If LSU loses a close game in the final seconds, wouldn't you like to see a rematch on a neutral field?  Wouldn't that be a better matchup than watching Bama skulldrag some big 10 pretender?

Actually, that should be "Wouldn't that be a better matchup than watching Bama skulldrag some Big 10/ACC/Big 12/Pac 10 pretender?"  :thumbup:


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: ReVOLver on October 02, 2011, 06:34:44 EDT
They aren't invincible though.  Florida was moving the ball through the air before Brantley got hurt.

They aren't invincible but Tennessee isn't beating them. Florida was a lot better than us in the lines. Bama is a lot better than Florida in the lines. You do the math.  :frown:


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: BigOrange Maniac on October 02, 2011, 07:48:49 EDT
Okay, let's assume you're right.  That game is at Bama.  If LSU loses a close game in the final seconds, wouldn't you like to see a rematch on a neutral field?  Wouldn't that be a better matchup than watching Bama skulldrag some big 10 pretender?

Sure, I would like to see a rematch. It would be an enjoyable game. And it would probably be a better matchup than a team from some other conference playing Alabama. But I think if LSU has already had their shot (or vice versa, assuming the outcome of that game is reversed), another team should get the opportunity to show what they're made of against the SEC's best.

I'm just not a big fan of rematches in NC games, although I would obviously enjoy watching it.


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on October 02, 2011, 08:08:23 EDT
Sure, I would like to see a rematch. It would be an enjoyable game. And it would probably be a better matchup than a team from some other conference playing Alabama. But I think if LSU has already had their shot (or vice versa, assuming the outcome of that game is reversed), another team should get the opportunity to show what they're made of against the SEC's best.

I'm just not a big fan of rematches in NC games, although I would obviously enjoy watching it.

Generally, I agree.  I don't usually like rematches either.  I remember 2006 when a lot of people were clamoring for an OSU/Michigan rematch in the title game.  I didn't agree with that, because there were other options, and the Big 10 hadn't proven that it deserved that kind of respect.  Fast forward five years, and the SEC absolutely has.  Let's say that Bama and LSU emerge from the regular season with only one loss between them (one to the other).  You'll have a Bama team that has won at Penn State, at Florida, at Auburn, and home games against UT and Arkansas.  LSU will have won at WVU, at UT, at a neutral site vs. Oregon, and home games vs. Florida, Auburn, and Arkansas.  How can you possibly justify excluding one of them in favor of a Wisconsin, whose toughest game will likely be at Michigan State?  Or Oklahoma, who basically plays a two game schedule (TU and FSU)?   Or Boise, whose biggest win by far would be over an SEC also-ran?


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: BigOrange Maniac on October 02, 2011, 09:04:43 EDT
Generally, I agree.  I don't usually like rematches either.  I remember 2006 when a lot of people were clamoring for an OSU/Michigan rematch in the title game.  I didn't agree with that, because there were other options, and the Big 10 hadn't proven that it deserved that kind of respect.  Fast forward five years, and the SEC absolutely has.  Let's say that Bama and LSU emerge from the regular season with only one loss between them (one to the other).  You'll have a Bama team that has won at Penn State, at Florida, at Auburn, and home games against UT and Arkansas.  LSU will have won at WVU, at UT, at a neutral site vs. Oregon, and home games vs. Florida, Auburn, and Arkansas.  How can you possibly justify excluding one of them in favor of a Wisconsin, whose toughest game will likely be at Michigan State?  Or Oklahoma, who basically plays a two game schedule (TU and FSU)?   Or Boise, whose biggest win by far would be over an SEC also-ran?


I'm not going to cry if we wind up with an all-SEC BCGNCG. But I think it's hard to argue with putting a one-loss team in the NC game ahead of an undefeated team, especially when that one-loss team has already been beaten by the team already in the NC game.

Personally, I would enjoy seeing how Boise State can stack up against  Alabama if they can make it through the regular season undefeated.


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on October 02, 2011, 09:54:24 EDT
I've spent a lot of time here standing up for teams that got screwed by the BCS; teams like Auburn, Utah, Boise, and TCU.  The system sucks, and in a perfect world we'd put them all in a 16 team tourney and see how it shakes out.  But the BCS's stated goal is to identify the top two teams in America and pit them against each other.  And this season, Stevie Wonder could pick those two teams out of a lineup. 


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: BigOrange Maniac on October 02, 2011, 11:02:51 EDT
I've spent a lot of time here standing up for teams that got screwed by the BCS; teams like Auburn, Utah, Boise, and TCU.  The system sucks, and in a perfect world we'd put them all in a 16 team tourney and see how it shakes out.  But the BCS's stated goal is to identify the top two teams in America and pit them against each other.  And this season, Stevie Wonder could pick those two teams out of a lineup. 

I guess where I disagree most (besides a 16-team playoff being the result of a "perfect world," as I think that would be far from perfect) is that I'm not convinced LSU is so clearly one of the best two teams in America. I think they're very good. And I think they have the best defense in America. But I also think when they come to Neyland Stadium in two weeks that we're going to see a very close football game.

On a completely unrelated note, it makes me angry every time I watch this John Chavis defense play. To think that he had as much or more talent at his disposal many of his years at UT (especially prior to 2002 or so) and rarely had a defense this good (1998 is probably the lone exception)...I guess that's more on Fulmer than on Chavis but you can't help but wonder about what might have been...


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: BanditVol on October 03, 2011, 06:28:42 EDT
If Michigan didn't deserve it in 2006, then bammer/LSU don't deserve it this year. 

No one expected Florida to crush OSU in 2006 either.  Yes, the SEC has won 5 in a row and looks invincible...and they will be, right up until another conference wins.  Hence, the other conferences deserve a shot.

And looking back on it, the OSU 2006 loss was one-sided.  OU actually hung with the gators pretty well in 2008, IMO.   If McCoy is not hurt in 2009, maybe Texas takes bammer.  Last year's game with Oregon was the closest of the bunch.  This may well be the year the streak is broken.  Or not.  But the only way to find out is to play the game.


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: WoodstockVol on October 04, 2011, 05:08:15 EDT
You can't count out Oklahoma yet,I'd like to see the Sooners play either LSU or Alabama


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: Quasi EVol on October 05, 2011, 01:25:03 EDT
You can't count out Oklahoma yet,I'd like to see the Sooners play either LSU or Alabama

Bob Stoops eats his corn flakes from a plate because if they were in a bowl he'd choke.


Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: EmerilVOL on October 05, 2011, 01:36:45 EDT
You can't count out Oklahoma yet,I'd like to see the Sooners play either LSU or Alabama

Sooners....LOL Seriously.....Alabama and LSU would both spank the Sooner Schooner back into 1999........



Title: Re: Is there any doubt who the best two teams in America are?
Post by: BanditVol on October 05, 2011, 01:43:06 EDT
Sooners....LOL Seriously.....Alabama and LSU would both spank the Sooner Schooner back into 1999........



Maybe, maybe not.  Play it on the field and see.