Can any one answer what "control" the HC does not have?

[73Volgrad]

I keep hearing that the AD and HC are lacking control.  Control over what?  When Hart was asked, he evaded the question.  What control is Hart wanting or needs that UT administration has over him?

I want specifics if anyone knows. I hate when someone does not answer a legitimate question and uses "Well this is not the time or place to address that."  My question is "When is the time and place and will you answer it then?"

This just appears to me to be a power struggle and pissing contest between egos.  Since Hart will not talk, what is the answer?

[Creek Walker]

Why are you asking this question on a messageboard where posters are just pot-stirrers and rumormongers?

(Sorry; couldn't resist.) 

[WoodstockVol]

Would it be possible for the Head Football Coach to be Athletic Director also? I think that was the way it was at Georgia with Vince Dooley in the 1980s

[Creek Walker]

Would it be possible for the Head Football Coach to be Athletic Director also? I think that was the way it was at Georgia with Vince Dooley in the 1980s

That's the way it was with Derek Dooley when he was at LaTech. He's got the experience...wanna bring him back?

[WoodstockVol]

That's the way it was with Derek Dooley when he was at LaTech. He's got the experience...wanna bring him back?

Nope,I guess it works with some and doesn't with others. If the Coach sucks,in that situation,You're up s*it creek without a paddle

[73Volgrad]

Just asking.  So many people are willing to give Gruden carte blanche, I just thought someone could answer.  So many people are blaming Cheek and the academic side for our decline, what is this nebulous control you speak of?  I want specific examples to form a decision.  Otherwise all I can assume is that people are blowing smoke and seeking to blame others for doing the jobs they are assigned to do.  I am sure there is one informed soul out there willing to educate. Someone please expound on the control issue. 

What are the disadvantages with other SEC schools Hart is complaining about because he has never explained what they are?

Does Hart want to report to UT President rather than Cheek?

Does Hart want to be the one deciding which athlete can be admitted and waive admission requirements?

What does control over Thorton Center have to do with running the AD?

[Creek Walker]

Gruden isn't coming; why worry about it?

[VinnieVOL]

Gruden isn't coming; why worry about it?

Win.   

[ChattanoogaVol]

From what i have been told, that the Athletics dept(COACHES and anyone associated with athletics) cannot be there, nor can have any contact with the academic staff regarding players, studying habits, class attendance, grades as this can sway decisions and put pressure on professors to give athletes grades or risk your job??...........which would explain alot about the last 6 years or so.  I could be wrong about this, but it was explained to me as such part of the problem.
No work or communication between academics and athletics?????

 

[PirateVOL]

Just asking.  So many people are willing to give Gruden carte blanche, I just thought someone could answer.  So many people are blaming Cheek and the academic side for our decline, what is this nebulous control you speak of?  I want specific examples to form a decision.  Otherwise all I can assume is that people are blowing smoke and seeking to blame others for doing the jobs they are assigned to do.  I am sure there is one informed soul out there willing to educate. Someone please expound on the control issue. 

What are the disadvantages with other SEC schools Hart is complaining about because he has never explained what they are?

Does Hart want to report to UT President rather than Cheek?

Does Hart want to be the one deciding which athlete can be admitted and waive admission requirements?

What does control over Thorton Center have to do with running the AD?

well, he should report to the president instead of the faculty senate, which Cheek actually serves.  The AD would like to return to some form of control of the Thorton Center, which the academic side controls 100%.
We are NOT playing on a level playing field with rhe rest of the SEC relative to academics - see Lanier

Just some of the issues

[73Volgrad]

Thanks Pirate.  I have a better grasp now.  I think Hart should be fighting to wrestle some oversight of Thorton back. AD needs to have some line of communications. What Mensa candidate let Cheek be in charge any way?

[BanditVol]

Gruden isn't coming; why worry about it?

Hart is concerned whether Gruden comes or not is why. 

[BanditVol]

Thanks Pirate.  I have a better grasp now.  I think Hart should be fighting to wrestle some oversight of Thorton back. AD needs to have some line of communications. What Mensa candidate let Cheek be in charge any way?

I have heard the things you mention as well as admission standards and $$$.  The $$$ seems to have been addressed, the other things need to be as well.  I believe the BOT met on November 9 and did change Hart's chain of command.  I assume it was for the better, but WDIK.  If only there were an attorney on the board.  

http://bot.tennessee.edu/docs/2012/110912_fullboard.pdf

Click tab N on the above, below is a partial:

THE UNIVERSITY OF TENNESSEE
BOARD OF TRUSTEES
ACTION ITEM
DATE: November 9, 2012
COMMITTEE: Advancement and Public Affairs
CAMPUS/UNIT: All
ITEM: Amendment of the UT-UTFI Affiliation and Services Agreement
to Change the Reporting Line for Athletics Development
Personnel at UT Knoxville
RECOMMENDATION: Approval
PRESENTED BY: Joseph A. DiPietro, President
Johnnie Ray, Vice President for Development and Alumni Affairs
and President and CEO of UT Foundation, Inc.
In 2010, the University realigned the reporting structure for the UT Knoxville Athletics
Department so that it now reports to the Chancellor of UT Knoxville rather than to the
President of the UT System.  To align the reporting structure for the development efforts
of the Athletics Department with the reporting structure for the Department as a whole,
Chancellor Cheek proposed that athletics development personnel report through the UT
Knoxville Vice Chancellor for Development rather than directly to the President of the
Foundation.  This new alignment will build strong collaboration between the academic
and athletic fundraising teams at UT Knoxville.  President DiPietro, on behalf of the
University, and Johnnie Ray, on behalf of the Foundation, strongly support Chancellor
Cheek’s proposal.

[VinnieVOL]

Hart is concerned whether Gruden comes or not is why. 

Sigh.   

[PirateVOL]

Another issue is that most other schools charge al athletes in-state tuition while UT charges the athletes from out of state out of state tuition, costing the AD thousands extra each year.

[BanditVol]

Sigh.  

LOL!  

I'm sorry.  I JUST DON'T CARE.  Omg....