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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/report-tennessee-under-major-investigation-from-ncaa/ar-BB1hv0Wf?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=404004411511416a990ba1ea63d30d81&ei=27 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/report-tennessee-under-major-investigation-from-ncaa/ar-BB1hv0Wf?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=404004411511416a990ba1ea63d30d81&ei=27)

If true...why the hell aren't we in the top 5 in recruiting!!!

According to Hubbs, the NCAA has been on campus for 6 months interviewing athletes.

As a comparison, FSU recently negotiated and agreed to a set of sanctions with the NCAA relating to an NIL violation where an assistant coach provided a portal recruit with transportation to an off-campus meeting with an NIL representative (booster). The sanctions were: 2 years of probation, a 2 year show cause for the assistant coach (he was not relieved of his duties, as I understand it), 3 year disassociation from the booster, 1 year dissociation from the collective, $5k fine plus 1% of the football budget, 5% reduction in scholarships over the 2 year probation, reduction in official visits in 2023/24, reduction in recruiting communication.

I?m not suggesting that anything like this happened at Tennessee. This is only one case that was recently investigated and resolved. This NIL landscape is not without rules, most of which we have no knowledge. It seems that the NCAA has implemented rules to make certain that the universities and the collectives are separate entities with completely different agendas (even though everyone with a pulse knows that is not/was not ever true).

Pure, unadulterated BULLshizzle

Nico committed BEFORE the ruling we agreed to
Make no mistake, it is really only about Nico
Could also be retaliation for our AG joining the suit against the NCAA as well

Ford is still butthurt about Schiano

The NCAA keeps CHANGING the rules, AFTER the fact and then investigation OLD actions to the NEW rules - that is what the did with FSU and to the UNC receiver last year

No argument from me, because I don?t have that information.

I do find it odd that FSU didn?t fight the issue, though.

I'm telling you NIL and the transfer portal are the devil. Any time you get that much money and the talent that comes with it involved, you are going to get shady dealings. It's just human nature to try to get an advantage. When has UT ever been choirboys? As much as it's a given they "all" cheat, we have had  our fair share of incidents. But being typical fans it is all good if we win and we try to gloss over the bad stuff. I would rather be a little shady and win than be holier than thou and lose.

You either know the rules and follow them or you know the rules and don't follow them. There is no excuse for not knowing the rules, even if they change them every week..lol. The compliance staff has one job. They should know the rules. That doesn't mean they can make the powers that be follow them.

said the board's (wilfull) moron :violin:

Chancellor Plowman responds:

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Me thinks she is a bit upset with the NCAA's lack of CLARITY and multiple rule changes in the NIL landscape

"factually untrue"
"Intellectually dishonest"

Seems to be more than a bit. Good for her!

Hopefully it can be explained away. This NIL crap is so new, it's bound to have growing pains. They just can't move goalposts regarding the rules.

So you must be one of the ones who preach the Vols have never cheated and never will. I'm sorry to break it to you...they do. They just aren't as good at getting by with it as the other guys. A slap on the wrist doesn't mean much. When they start giving out bowl bans is when it starts to suck. This will probably end up being a nothing burger. Does any school really know the NIL rules? That's the big problem.

The New York Times is supposedly reporting that at least one of the issues involved Nico being flown from California to Knoxville by a booster (aboard a private plane).

I like Wes Ruckers take  :naughty:

https://twitter.com/wesrucker247/status/1752429655846474020?s=19

 :powert:

Donde said back off or we?ll
See you in court
You got your head up your ass, enforsing rules that did not, and do not exist

Oh, and kiss my Big Orange Ass!

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My God?. I had forgotten what competency actually looks like?.

she will be presenting something during the game
Should get a nice ovation

Nice ovation for Donde!

 https://x.com/tommarslaw/status/1752488548777746830?s=46&t=ULxOxWSeVMdw-NzyCkhpmQ (https://x.com/tommarslaw/status/1752488548777746830?s=46&t=ULxOxWSeVMdw-NzyCkhpmQ)
Spyre's response

A key note "California law"
Good luck ncaa

AP fleshes out the issue(s)

https://x.com/wvltrick/status/1752523810467721452?s=20 (https://x.com/wvltrick/status/1752523810467721452?s=20)

Since this broke AP has been as definiteve as he ever has been

Well clueless, since you are so knowledgeable about this, name one (1) action that Tennessee or Spre or a student athlete that has been a violation of published NCAA "guidance" when any actions or activites occured? :violin:

I'll be waiting, with my MREs at hand

https://www.on3.com/news/did-the-ncaa-pick-a-fight-with-tennessee-that-it-cant-win/ (https://www.on3.com/news/did-the-ncaa-pick-a-fight-with-tennessee-that-it-cant-win/)
That is a good read if you have access.

https://x.com/latekickjosh/status/1752518350754750511?s=46&t=nz6CBvyAtXmX_stjSCEfAA (https://x.com/latekickjosh/status/1752518350754750511?s=46&t=nz6CBvyAtXmX_stjSCEfAA)

It seems that most of the National writers who aren?t partisan bomb-throwers with an axe to grind (ahem, Forde/Thamel) are lining up behind UT right now. Even opposing fans (at least the ones who can see past ?orange team bad?) seem to be with us. Because they know they could be next.

Saw those
Josh seemed to ramble a bit
Andy is as clued in as an outside can be on NIL

If you?re not familiar with Tom Mars, look him up. He has a history with the NCAA. As in, he?s the Harlem Globetrotters, and they?re the Washington Generals. :naughty:

Tennessee AG (along with the VA AG) files an antitrust suit against the NCAA

ueah, very familiar with him
Saw that last night at the BB game and smiled a big smile

A lot of push back against the ncaa
The letter, the Mars tweets and the AG suit
One would think it a coordinated response ?

Damny While on the AG?s suit
[url]https://x.com/ad_dannywhite/status/1752703666698740002?s=46&t=ULxOxWSeVMdw-NzyCkhpmQ] (http://[/url)
https://x.com/ad_dannywhite/status/1752703666698740002?s=46&t=ULxOxWSeVMdw-NzyCkhpmQ

Gov Lee chimes in (weak sauce IMO)

https://x.com/govbilllee/status/1752706430153687544?s=46&t=ULxOxWSeVMdw-NzyCkhpmQ (https://x.com/govbilllee/status/1752706430153687544?s=46&t=ULxOxWSeVMdw-NzyCkhpmQ)

And Sen Blackburn (calling for hearings)
https://x.com/marshablackburn/status/1752728239888359877?s=46&t=ULxOxWSeVMdw-NzyCkhpmQ (https://x.com/marshablackburn/status/1752728239888359877?s=46&t=ULxOxWSeVMdw-NzyCkhpmQ)

It seems to me that the NCAA is in quite a pickle. If they continue on this path, they?re going to lose in court, which will probably be their death knell. If they back off it reveals them as toothless and useless, which also portends their end.

I?m guessing Mr. Baker now wishes he had answered that call from area code 865 back in December. :naughty:

yeah, his arrogance seems to have put him squarely behind the 8 ball and Donde called corner pocket

There is no cheating now. The Supreme court set the players free. They can make deals with anybody they want to. Just like we can.

WE are getting out spent. Players are getting bought now. Legally.

except the ncaa says you can?t retroactively

The ncaa BULLshizzle resposne:
https://x.com/DiamondVols/status/1752806926662984075?s=20 (https://x.com/DiamondVols/status/1752806926662984075?s=20)

https://x.com/channel_tn_/status/1752850480823177271?s=46&t=nz6CBvyAtXmX_stjSCEfAA (https://x.com/channel_tn_/status/1752850480823177271?s=46&t=nz6CBvyAtXmX_stjSCEfAA)

looking for the Like button :thumbup:

I keep seeing headlines about how this could sink the NCAA. They have always adapted poorly to change. /Like the feds.../ they have outlived their usefulness in their present configuration.

This appears to be a coordinated response by UT and its proxies. Immediately after the leak on Tuesday, we got Donde?s response. Yesterday, we got the lawsuit. And today, DW?s statement. I would expect more news tomorrow. Maybe more states joining in the lawsuit?

the letter was sent Monday.
I think the leak was in response to the letter
While I don?t think they were directly coordinated, I think the University?s and Spyre?s actions were not performed in a vacuum

Also, judging by the fierceness of the University response is a clear indication that the ncaa ?investigation? was a,witch hunt, not conducted in good faith and retroactively applying their ill considered rulings
Oh, and Baker blew them off

I agree. They knew this was coming, I think. The draft of Donde?s letter has probably been written for a while. I believe that the Tennessee/Virginia response was planned well before the Forde and NYT leaks yesterday.

@10EC Marvin West agrees with you

https://www.knoxtntoday.com/somebody-will-get-hurt-in-tennessee-ncaa-shootout/ (https://www.knoxtntoday.com/somebody-will-get-hurt-in-tennessee-ncaa-shootout/)

Week 1 Summarry of the war between Indy and The Hill

Tennessee officials met with the ncaa "enforcement" team in Indy on Monday.
Tennessee was VERY upset (you could say PO'd) with the tone and potential charges discussed, even though not one (1) Tennessee coach or staff member had been found to have done anything wrong
The ncaa then "moved the goalposts to fit the non crime into a crime by applying a NEW rule to actions BEFORE the rule was published.
This activity was at odds with the ncaa?s Presidents public remarks on the issue.
The REAL issue is that the ncaa HATES Spyre and similar agents and collectives (really the agency part of the equation).

The Chancellor finished writing her letter to the ncaa President (I think it started when he blew off she and Danny) and finished vetting it with the in house lawyers and then sent it.
The letter was VERY direct and included language clearly indicated the school?s position.

My view is then the ?enforcement? team then leaked it to their pet PAID leakers in the national media.
Then the University released the letter to the public post the (I believe) expected leak.

Spyre released the NICO story via Tom Mars, noted for usually winning against the ncaa.
They also used the issue as a fund drive for the Volunteer Club.

The ncaa released a statement on the issue that was against THEIR rules
Also showing how clueless they really are.

Then Danny White released his statement.
While the Chancellor?s letter was direct it retained the niceties of correspondence at that level.
Danny?s statement was more inline with a fans perspective

The TN and VA AG?s lawsuit is a separate issue.
It attacks some of the related battleground but goes much more directly at the core NIL issue.
It has been in the works for some time.  I think TRO and droner will agree that it takes time to develop the package that was submitted this week.
The asked for a TRO is probably the most serious near term threat to the ncaa.
It is expected that the inital exchange of motions and the inital hearing will occur this month.

Meanwhile, the ncaa remains SILENT on the REAL issue, which is TAMPERING!

Great read from Marvin...per usual.

Everybody cheated. Nobody is cheating now. Because everything is legal. Per the United States Supreme court.

Seriously, it literally feels like we walked through a desert for a couple of decades and are now at the Oasis.  The athletic department is rock solid and so is the University leadership.

Boling would have been proud of this.

The Comish speaks:

https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1753478570268053771?s=20 (https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1753478570268053771?s=20)

Mark Feb 13, 9AM on your calendars

Greeneville Courthouse we be the scene of the first skirmish leading to the end of the ncaa as it exists today

The ncaa wanted someone else to set the rules for them (e.g. Congress) but I suspect in the end the Courts will do that for them