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With the Big 12 apparently back on solid footing now, provided Texas and Oklahoma can come to an agreement, that makes Missouri seem like less of an option for the SEC. If that's the case, where does the SEC stand? The ACC is apparently happy with where they stand. The Big East, not so much so, but there's no one there that we want.

That's a whole lot of options off the table.

Memphis wants into a BCS conference awfully bad... If we can add them to the East, I'm all for it.  :biggrin:

How about South Florida? Getting them in would help open up the extremely talent rich South Florida-Miami area

The problem is that USF is not in South Florida at all... it's in Tampa.

Florida is going to fight any other Florida school being in the league.

From a geographic standpoint I think VT, CU and GT are fits for the East. 

VPI can"t go anywhere without UVA, so has been made clear by the Virginia legislature. At this point, I am betting on UofL being the odds on favorite to become #14. Memphis is not an option.

I'm pretty sure no one is seriously mentioning Memphis.  :rolleyes:

Kentucky could very well veto Louisville coming into the SEC. A lot of UK fans(at least the ones on UK message boards) are nervous that with Louisville in the SEC they'll be shut out of football recruiting in Louisville

Memphis couldn't compete in football in the Sunbelt conference

Memphis?!?! Blech!  If we are talking purely for football reasons, and I think that is what all of this is about (Jim Boeheim's comments on conference expansion is dead-on, IMO), then I think, why not add another Texas-based team - TCU? Or how about some out-of-the-box thinking and tell Appy State that we will add them to the SEC if they can get to NCAA Div.I (I am not calling it the other thing) in 2 years?  How's that for being innovative?

MIAUTIGER,I'd rather have Southern Miss in the SEC than either Memphis or App State

I was talking purely for football reasons. Memphis in the East = three for-sure wins for UT each year.  :loco:

It's better to be inconvenienced for a couple of years than to take the wrong school. Once someone is in you can't kick him out. Very few schools add value.

Appy State?  Really.  They are a very good D1-AA school, but they aren't a major university, and certainly not an SEC level University.  Their stadium seats about 30K, and their other facilities aren't up to SEC standards, either. 

Whoever come in is going to have to bring something of substance with them.  Neither Memphis, Southern Miss, nor Appy State do that. 

This is absoulutely true.  aTm, I think, does add value.  But not too many other ones do, IMO.  The ones that do make sense will probably not want to leave their conference anytime soon.

I blame my lunch hour for that sorry recommendation  :dance:.

I figured that's what you were getting at, lol. 

Ignoring academics and TV, neither of which is an option (but probably moreso the TV part), WVU is actually a good fit geographically and they do have a decent football tradition.  The bonus is that it would really piss off a lot of gators that like to look down their noses at "hillbillies", apparently, even though roughly half the conference is just that.

But I can get started on plenty of Florida stereotypes if I wanted to, and I don't mean jean shorts either.   :biggrin:

Come on! What's wrong with ASU? We would still have a Mountaineers in the conference, with a nice ski area in the mountain area.  It's like having WVU without the burning couches and smells  :angel:.

I vote for the mighty Mocs of UTC. :wave:

Tailgate at BDV's place!

I'll bring the wine coolers.

The Dillon Panthers!

Would Ga Tech be a good fit? :dunno:

They did this  :bird: to the SEC once before, why would we want them back?
OTOH, given the sheer quantity of NCAA issues the SEC has, they would fit right in ... :eek:

Clay Travis reported the other day that South Carolina, Georgia and Florida have a pact to stand together against any other schools from their states getting in. If that's the case, it would be almost impossible for FSU, GaTech or Clemson to gain entry to the SEC.

The Baylors of the SEC.

I think Kentucky would veto any attempt by the SEC to invite Louisville

GT will not be invited.  The most obvious reason is to understand why the SEC has already looked at Texas A&M and perhaps Missouri.  It is all about TV markets those schools would bring to the SEC, and the TV money that would result from SEC's future contracts with its TV partners (CBS, ESPN, etc).  A&M brings the Houston and Dallas DMAs (DMA = measure of TV market size) to the SEC, while Mizzou brings St. Louis and perhaps Kansas City DMAs. 

But the Atlanta DMA is already delivered to the SEC, mostly via UGA and AU and to some extent Bama, UT, UF, etc.  Atlanta is already SEC country, so GT isn't needed.

The bottom line is that any new SEC school will have to be accretive to the SEC's revenues in order to be considered.  That means the revenues that the new school brings to the SEC will have to be greater than the slice of the SEC's earnings pie that they get in return. This will be the driving consideration, even though it is a given that other factors will be considered to a lesser extent (tradition, lack of probation, cultural and academic fit, existing grudges from other SEC schools, etc).

Finally, just to put the final nail in GT as a SEC candidate, a previous post referenced that GT already left the SEC once.  True, and that will indeed be held against them.

Atlanta is indeed SEC country.  I visited my sister there last weekend, and I was amazed at how many Auburn, Florida, Tennessee, and bammer fans were in their subdivision.  I actually did not meet any uga fans!

There are historic reason Ga Tech left the SEC.  They had a war going with bammer at the time. 

In 1962 the Saturday Evening Post published an article that accused Bryant of coaching in a manner that encouraged unsportsmanlike conduct. The article was apparently prompted by an incident that had occurred during the game between Alabama and Georgia Tech played on November 18, 1961. A Tech player going downfield to cover a punt was blocked out of bounds by an Alabama player who used what is called a forearm shiver. The blow to the face broke the Tech player's jaw. As a result, the friendship between Bryant and Tech's coach Bobby Dodd was ruined. Georgia Tech dropped Alabama from its schedule and later left the Southeastern Conference. Bryant filed suit against the magazine.

 http://www.answers.com/topic/paul-bryant#ixzz1YiNrwiW5

Any enemy of bammer is a friend of mine.  Let em back in, I say!  If for no other reason than to piss off bammer fans.   :clap:

BTW...I went to high school in Knoxville with the son of the player who got his jaw broke.  Father and son were named Chick Graning.  The father coached at Oak Ridge for awhile and the family stayed in Knoxville.

And why did Bobby Dodd hate Alabama and Bear Bryant? Because he was a by-God Tennessee Volunteer, that's why.