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Title: Without a running game...
Post by: RockinGrannyVol on September 16, 2012, 03:34:12 EDT
We cannot compete in the SEC.....period


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: BanditVol on September 16, 2012, 03:42:48 EDT
Run game did fine in the first half.  We had to abandon it in the second


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: WoodstockVol on September 16, 2012, 03:44:11 EDT
Run game did fine in the first half.  We had to abandon it in the second

So much for the improved defense! That QB looked like Tim Tebow part 2


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: RockinGrannyVol on September 16, 2012, 03:48:38 EDT
Running game was so so in the first he.  But Defense sued in 2nd half, which forced us to abandon run game.   We are not here we need to be to compete in the SEC!


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: BanditVol on September 16, 2012, 03:51:52 EDT
Running game was so so in the first he.  But Defense sued in 2nd half, which forced us to abandon run game.   We are not here we need to be to compete in the SEC!

Agree our d was the issue in the second half.  Burton should have been tacled after a 15 or 20 yard game. Then the player who whiffed on him blew an assignment on their long td pass.


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: Volznut on September 16, 2012, 03:54:07 EDT
Run game did fine in the first half.  We had to abandon it in the second

No we didn't We had a 20-13 lead, stuffed their fake punt. We had zero reason to abandon the run, but we did, and threw, got an intentional grounding, got nothing instead of going on a nice drive and going up 27-13. That was the turning point. After that we still didn't need to abandon the run, but we did. Remember the run wasn't doing badly. I really hate Chaney ball



Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: WoodstockVol on September 16, 2012, 03:54:57 EDT
No we didn't We had a 20-13 lead, stuffed their fake punt. We had zero reason to abandon the run, but we did, and threw, got an intentional grounding, got nothing instead of going on a nice drive and going up 27-13. That was the turning point. After that we still didn't need to abandon the run, but we did. Remember the run wasn't doing badly. I really hate Chaney ball



If Dooley doesn't go Chaney needs to be shown the door,IMO


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: BanditVol on September 16, 2012, 03:59:10 EDT
No we didn't We had a 20-13 lead, stuffed their fake punt. We had zero reason to abandon the run, but we did, and threw, got an intentional grounding, got nothing instead of going on a nice drive and going up 27-13. That was the turning point. After that we still didn't need to abandon the run, but we did. Remember the run wasn't doing badly. I really hate Chaney ball



Hm, well, I blame that on Tyler.  It actually made sense to try a throw on first down there.  It's very common to try and take advantage of a big turning point (in this case the stopped fake punt).  Tyler had absolutely no reason to throw it into the flat with no one there.  Taking a sack would have been better.  At that point, on second and long, how can you run?

I wouldn't peg it to that particular play.   

I think the back breaker was Burton's long run, and he simply brushed aside a player who could have made the tackle.


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: Volznut on September 16, 2012, 03:59:45 EDT
If Dooley doesn't go Chaney needs to be shown the door,IMO

Kiffin hired Chaney. I am tired of him abandoning the run game. I'm over Chaney, we need a OC who will establish a run game.



Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: WoodstockVol on September 16, 2012, 04:00:36 EDT
Kiffin hired Chaney. I am tired of him abandoning the run game. I'm over Chaney, we need a OC who will establish a run game.



You are so right,Volznut!


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: Volznut on September 16, 2012, 04:01:27 EDT
Hm, well, I blame that on Tyler.  It actually made sense to try a throw on first down there.  It's very common to try and take advantage of a big turning point (in this case the stopped fake punt).  Tyler had absolutely no reason to throw it into the flat with no one there.  Taking a sack would have been better.  At that point, on second and long, how can you run?

I wouldn't peg it to that particular play.   

I think the back breaker was Burton's long run, and he simply brushed aside a player who could have made the tackle.

Disagree. That was the turning point. We were ahead 20-13, and had the ball in great FP. The Bray penalty put us back and we had to kick it to them, and they immediately give up a 80 yard run. Yes that was bad defense, but the offense should have gotten some points on that drive.



Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: BanditVol on September 16, 2012, 04:04:09 EDT
Disagree. That was the turning point. We were ahead 20-13, and had the ball in great FP. The Bray penalty put us back and we had to kick it to them, and they immediately give up a 80 yard run. Yes that was bad defense, but the offense should have gotten some points on that drive.



I don't disagree, but calling a pass in that situation on first down was not a bad call.  The problem was that Bray panicked and threw the ball into the flat with no receiver in a 10-yard radius.  He would have been better off taking a sack.


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: Volznut on September 16, 2012, 04:06:27 EDT
I don't disagree, but calling a pass in that situation on first down was not a bad call.  The problem was that Bray panicked and threw the ball into the flat with no receiver in a 10-yard radius.  He would have been better off taking a sack.

Chaney is a very impatient playcaller. He has always been pass happy, and it won't play in the SEC these days.



Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: MIAUTIGER on September 16, 2012, 04:13:15 EDT
Kiffin hired Chaney. I am tired of him abandoning the run game. I'm over Chaney, we need a OC who will establish a run game.

I think I agree with your assessment that the run game was abandoned too early. Neal was getting some decent yards. I was surprised on many of the 3 and outs that Bray was flinging it everywhere. Between that and the D doing their best impression of our (Auburn's) D, Florida was destined to own the second half.  They are looking like a great 2nd half team this year.


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: WoodstockVol on September 16, 2012, 04:16:09 EDT
I think I agree with your assessment that the run game was abandoned too early. Neal was getting some decent yards. I was surprised on many of the 3 and outs that Bray was flinging it everywhere. Between that and the D doing their best impression of our (Auburn's) D, Florida was destined to own the second half.  They are looking like a great 2nd half team this year.

Rough night,Guinness is keeping Me going tonight


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: JeffCountyVolFan on September 16, 2012, 04:36:33 EDT
Without UF penalties in the first half, we probably lose that half as well.


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: BanditVol on September 16, 2012, 05:30:44 EDT
Without UF penalties in the first half, we probably lose that half as well.

I don't think so at all.  We had our own penalties that killed a drive in the first that might have gone for a TD otherwise.

On balance, though I am sick at this loss, we are a much, much better team this year.  Don't lose sight of that.


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: PirateVOL on September 16, 2012, 05:40:13 EDT
Disagree. That was the turning point. We were ahead 20-13, and had the ball in great FP. The Bray penalty put us back and we had to kick it to them, and they immediately give up a 80 yard run. Yes that was bad defense, but the offense should have gotten some points on that drive.


Chaney in that situation has ALWAYS went for the immediate score. Mit's his MO.
Execution sucked though.


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: VinnieVOL on September 16, 2012, 06:19:44 EDT
Agree with Nut that getting nothing for the stuffed punt was the turning point.


Title: Re: Without a running game...
Post by: midtnvol on September 16, 2012, 04:00:11 EDT
Hm, well, I blame that on Tyler.  It actually made sense to try a throw on first down there.  It's very common to try and take advantage of a big turning point (in this case the stopped fake punt).  Tyler had absolutely no reason to throw it into the flat with no one there.  Taking a sack would have been better.  At that point, on second and long, how can you run?

I wouldn't peg it to that particular play.   

I think the back breaker was Burton's long run, and he simply brushed aside a player who could have made the tackle.
Actually (in the college game) it doesn't make any difference due to the penalty involved. It's a spot foul and the ball is placed at the point of infraction and loss of down. If you get sacked,then the ball is placed at that point (same as grounding) and you lose the down (same as grounding). No big deal but I"ve wondered why the penalty is not more severe.