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Title: Year by year SEC scoring D's
Post by: BanditVol on November 12, 2012, 07:47:27 EST
I had to install some software that required babysitting for ~20 minutes, so I went ahead and looked up these stats here:

http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/rankings?doWhat=archive&sportCode=MFB

This is a list of the worst scoring D's in the SEC for the period 1999-2012, which is all the NCAA has archived.

2012   UT    37.00
2011   OM   32.08
2010   OM   35.17
2009   AU    27.62
2008   Ark   31.17    (Tamu...33.54)
2007   UK    29.6
2006   UK    28.4
2005   UK    34.1
2004   UK    31.0
2003   MSU  39.3
2002   Van   30.7
2001   Van   36.5
2000   UK     34.8
1999   UK     29.4

So...MSU was the worst in the last 13 years, and to catch them we would have to allow about 48 ppg to UK and Vandy...not likely, but I am not even going to predict we won't, lol!

Not that it matters but....the "winner" on this list is UK followed by Vandy followed by Ole Miss.  Not very surprising that those teams are down there, and no way should UT be on any list with their records of "incomperitude".   I feel slightly better that Arkansas and AU made the list, but not really.

Just FYI...BDV asked about this below.



Title: Re: Year by year SEC scoring D's
Post by: BanditVol on November 12, 2012, 07:54:10 EST
Oh yeah, I added Tamu on there even though they weren't in the conference yet...just to show that, hopefully, things can turn around.   :thumbup:


Title: Re: Year by year SEC scoring D's
Post by: Black Diamond Vol on November 12, 2012, 08:27:30 EST
Interesting.  Are those numbers for all games, or league games only?  I'd be willing to bet that we're the worst in league games.


Title: Re: Year by year SEC scoring D's
Post by: BanditVol on November 12, 2012, 09:05:47 EST
Interesting.  Are those numbers for all games, or league games only?  I'd be willing to bet that we're the worst in league games.

All games.  The league games aren't tracked.  I thought of what you say, but odds are that the OOC games are much better across the board, ourselves included.  Or that they cancel out.


Title: Re: Year by year SEC scoring D's
Post by: Creek Walker on November 12, 2012, 09:15:05 EST
Mississippi State gave up 41.3 ppg in SEC games in 2003. Tennessee is currently giving up 43.7 ppg in SEC games this season.


Title: Re: Year by year SEC scoring D's
Post by: Clockwork Orange on November 12, 2012, 09:29:18 EST
Interesting.  Are those numbers for all games, or league games only?  I'd be willing to bet that we're the worst in league games.

For league games, if our current average holds it is the worst SEC defense since 1979 Vanderbilt, which gave up 45.3 in SEC play. This UT defense is currently giving up 43.7. Next on the list would be 1995 South Carolina at 40.0, which is the only other one of two other SEC defenses to give up an average of 40+ PPG in conference play since that Vandy team.

So if UT gives up 58+ points in its last two games (likely, IMO) it will tie or beat that South Carolina team and will have given up an average of 40+ points, becoming only the third fourth SEC team in the last 33 years to be that bad. To sink below that 1979 Vandy team UT would have to give up 101 points in its last two games, so that's probably unlikely.

Still this paints a pretty ugly picture of how pathetic this defense is. All data is from Ken Massey, btw.

Edit: Creek Walker is right . . . 2003 MSU also gave up 40+, so we'd be the 4th team. Good catch, Creek.


Title: Re: Year by year SEC scoring D's
Post by: MIAUTIGER on November 12, 2012, 09:49:21 EST
For league games, if our current average holds it is the worst SEC defense since 1979 Vanderbilt, which gave up 45.3 in SEC play. This UT defense is currently giving up 43.7. Next on the list would be 1995 South Carolina at 40.0, which is the only other one of two other SEC defenses to give up an average of 40+ PPG in conference play since that Vandy team.

So if UT gives up 58+ points in its last two games (likely, IMO) it will tie or beat that South Carolina team and will have given up an average of 40+ points, becoming only the third fourth SEC team in the last 33 years to be that bad. To sink below that 1979 Vandy team UT would have to give up 101 points in its last two games, so that's probably unlikely.

Still this paints a pretty ugly picture of how pathetic this defense is. All data is from Ken Massey, btw.

Edit: Creek Walker is right . . . 2003 MSU also gave up 40+, so we'd be the 4th team. Good catch, Creek.

Well, we won the MNC one year after posting the worse Scoring Defense in 2009. So, there is some hope (but only if you pay for a phenom QB, amiright Vinnie?).


Title: Re: Year by year SEC scoring D's
Post by: VoLynteer on November 12, 2012, 09:52:27 EST
Well, we won the MNC one year after posting the worse Scoring Defense in 2009. So, there is some hope (but only if you pay for a phenom QB, amiright Vinnie?).

We don't have money for that right now, we have to give Jon Gruden a bazillion dollars and my one good kidney.


Title: Re: Year by year SEC scoring D's
Post by: BanditVol on November 12, 2012, 11:20:38 EST

Still this paints a pretty ugly picture of how pathetic this defense is. All data is from Ken Massey, btw.


Thanks for posting that.  Could you post a link?  I'd like to bookmark it.  I googled Ken Massey but got a whole lot of other stuff.


Title: Re: Year by year SEC scoring D's
Post by: BanditVol on November 12, 2012, 11:23:14 EST
Interesting stuff, but given that our next worst year was 27 ppg (in all games, not just SEC)..... :hurl: :hurl: :hurl:

What a proud tradition Tennessee has, and how it's getting mangled now.  But we can hope this is temporary, like 62-64, or the early Johnny years.


Title: Re: Year by year SEC scoring D's
Post by: VinnieVOL on November 13, 2012, 04:32:06 EST
Well, we won the MNC one year after posting the worse Scoring Defense in 2009. So, there is some hope (but only if you pay for a phenom QB, amiright Vinnie?).

 :nod: :nod:


Title: Re: Year by year SEC scoring D's
Post by: Clockwork Orange on November 19, 2012, 02:16:45 EST
So if UT gives up 58+ points in its last two games (likely, IMO) it will tie or beat that South Carolina team and will have given up an average of 40+ points, becoming only the third fourth SEC team in the last 33 years to be that bad. To sink below that 1979 Vandy team UT would have to give up 101 points in its last two games, so that's probably unlikely.

Thought it would be fun horrific to update this after Saturday's game. UT only has to give up 17 points to Kentucky this week to average 40+ PPG allowed in SEC play. If the defense allows 27 points or more, they will eclipse the 2003 MSU defense and officially be the worst SEC scoring defense since 1979.

Also, for Bandit: http://masseyratings.com/team.php?t=7801&s=181623 (http://masseyratings.com/team.php?t=7801&s=181623). Within any team's season you can click on their conference twice to get to a league summary screen (like this one (http://masseyratings.com/team.php?t=14028&s=181623)), which is how I quickly scanned through points allowed in conference year-by-year.