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Clearly, he's squandered any chance of a big payday this April.  So I think he's forced to return to school.  The only problem is, I'm not sure he'd be very welcome back in Knoxville.  If I were a betting man, I'd say we'll see him suiting up in FCS next year. :frown:

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You have to be able to play football up North

He will go pro. The pro scouts like his arm. Even if he's a 3rd or 4th rounder, he will go

Buck Fray!! Send his lil ass out on the same rail as Dooley...

I really don't care.  I just want him gone.  He should of been benched in the Florida game when he gave up in the second half.  He is just not a leader or a winner.  Forget the arm, its the head that's the problem.

A decent coach would have taken care of that 3 years ago....

He gave up against KENTUCKY and VANDY.  What's he going to do after a couple hits by James Harrison? :banghead:

Not much. I didn't say he would be successful. But pro scouts like big arms. See Jamarcus Russell

You would have to think Bray has worked with a sports  phyche, if the NCAA allows.

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Bray's attitude towards Dooley and the staff is BAD.......................ANY chance this was a "this is what I think of you guys"?? cause Bray looked like he was on another planet

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I hope he goes away.  I'm a Gamecock fan but my kids go to (and have gone to) UT.  I don't care if he throws for 4000 yards, he is not a leader.  Answer me this, for all those fans that think it's only Dooley as the problem, how many times has Bray led you to victory?  He simply pouts and acts like a kid when things aren't going well.  QB's are there to lead.  The best thing UT could ask for is a new coach AND a new QB.  Then things might turn around. 

All world talent but waay too immature. If he ever would fix that he would be awesome.

I have heard that both Bray and Patterson won't have a chance to come back because of academics.

Both will struggle in the NFL. Patterson can't just out athlete everyone in the NFL.....he will have to learn how to be a wr if he has any success. Bray won't study enough to be any good. He fits the profile of a kid who always had it come too easy to him.....he never learned to work hard for success.

I think Patterson will be fine. He will struggle as a rookie but they will let him return kicks and he will be a great NFL player.

I think Bray will be a journeyman.

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Bray is Ryan Leaf without the college wins.

I feel sorry for Bray as I do any 20 or 21 year old who does dumb stuff. Hopefully he will get things together regardless of whether that means he's great at football or not. That having been said I hope he doesn't end up with regrets about what his football career could have been.

That's pretty harsh IYAM.  Leaf was in a category by himself.  In fact, I think he eventually did jail time for something or other.

Having said that, I hope Bray comes back and gets his act together.  I was down on him earlier in his career, but thought I saw signs of maturity recently.  Myabe not yesterday though... :confused:

Good news though...FWIW, Justin looked sharp last night other than the int.  He can be at least a workable SEC QB if Bray does bolt.

Seems pretty accurate to me. They were both prima donnas and Bray has plenty of time to wind up in jail for something or other, which might happen if he continues his penchant for tossing beer bottles at cars and whatnot.

True, but I still don't see Leaf-level idiocy.  Might be the orange blinders though.

Like Nuke Laloosh, Bray has a million-dollar arm and a ten-cent head, but I'm not sure anyone would be "Crash Davis" enough for him to change that.  Admittedly, I have never been a Bray fan, and I have consistently said that he has been overrated as a QB.  He has all the physical skills, and he can put up great numbers, but he needs a true QB mentor to get it through his head that having the skills is not enough.  The football history books are full of players like him who go nowhere.  I hope he can change that, come back next season, and help the new head coach get off to a good start (assuming the new offense uses the style Bray fits).  I would like to see both Bray and the Vols succeed, but UT comes first, so I'm fine with whatever the new coach deems best.

Luckily for us our previous-previous coach passed on that bust Taj Boyd who only passed for 5 td's and ran for three more yesterday. We could have been saddled with that kind of talent.

With the right coach, Bray could be a winner - something he has yet to show.  We only have to look back to Crompton and *gasp* Kiffin's influence on him.  Having said that, however, I hope they prep Worley to start.  For some reason I like our chances better with Worley at this point.   :biggrin:

I think about that every time I see Clemson highlights.  :frown:

The story was that he didn't fit Kiffin's offense, and that is true.  But Taj can certainly throw the ball in addition to running, and I don't see why we passed on him.  Never did, and had heated discussions on that very topic.

I do recall one poster saying he would never amount to anything in college and was injured anyway, to which...


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And while we are on the topic, had Fulmer just beaten UCLA and Auburn in 2008, which implies that Crompton played just slightly better, no way is he fired, no way do we lose to Wyoming and we go 8-4 and Tahj comes to UT.  Then who knows what the future may have held.

Water under the bridge now.  Thank God the Dooley era is over.  A new coach can hardly do worse.  Looking forward to the next step.

Which poster are you referring to?

I'm asking because I remember having a discussion with you about him being hurt and that he wouldn't have made a difference in his first year, which is when we were discussing the issue. I don't remember anybody saying he would never be a good QB. He is in the perfect system for his skills at Clemson.

It was probably me.  You know how intense I can get about recruiting and high school prospects.   :dance:

Not you.  Many posters commented, many disagreed.  Only one stated emphatically that he would never amount to anything.  Only one poster was, I thought, unreasonable about it, and it definitely wasn't you.   :biggrin:

Interesting.

I always thought he would be a good QB, but I also understood why Kiffin thought he wouldn't be a good fit due to arm strength and size.

I do not think that we'd have a better record with Boyd over Bray right now. I think Bray would be a big winner with the right coach to harness him. But no doubt Boyd is a really good player.

Speaking of Kiffin QB recruits, remember this guy?  He turned down Kiffin at UT to play at USC.  I remember all of us saying, "They'll just recruit over him, and he'll never see the field".  And that's precisely what happened- only Kiffin was the one who ended up doing the recruiting.  Maybe we can still yet get him when he emerges from JUCO next year. :laugh:

EDIT: And as I recall, his dad had some pretty insulting things to say about UT's academics, as well.  Which makes the fact that his kid is now slumming it in junior college all the more delicious. :laugh:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/04/sports/la-sp-sn-usc-quarterback-jesse-scroggins-to-transfer-20120604

I believe this to be true.  I've been led to believe that even if Tennessee had qualified for a bowl game that the 6 hour rule could have prevented one or both from playing in it.