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Title: A little over a week ago, I indicated here...
Post by: TheRealOrange on December 07, 2012, 03:48:51 EST

...I was expecting an announcement yesterday or today.  And, at that time, I mentioned that you would start hearing a couple more names being thrown into the mix, even though they would not excite anyone.  I did not mention Jones by name, but he was on that list.  I even told someone on Facebook a while back to expect an announcement today and that I hoped it would not be equated by Vols fans with it being Peral Harbor Day, i.e., I hoped Vols fans would not consider this to be a day to live in UT infamy.  I don't think there were any serious negotiations prior to Strong.  I think it will turn out that quite a few of the names being thrown around here and elsewhere actually were contacted, but they simply were not interested, so no real negotiations were ever started.  Regardless of whether they had been contacted by a search firm or Hart, they just were not coming to Knoxville.  As I posted previously, I have always believed that Tennessee is a unique program that requires a special type of person/head coach to succeed.  Perhaps Jones will ultimately be the football coach version of Bruce Pearl and will excite the fans with his enthusiasm and recruiting and in the end by winning.  Only time will tell.  But, unless he falls in love with the program and area and wants to stay there, he very well could succeed and then be like Kiffin and jump to his "dream" job if/when he gets the Vols back on track.  I have never been big on Hart making a "home run" hire.  No matter what, it's an unknown, even with someone like Gruden.  And, the fact that fans are disappointed or angry with this hire right now will not matter in the least if the program gets turned around.  In the end, it will come down to wins and losses, just like always.  So, as I firmly plant myself in "wait and see" mode, I wish Coach Jones the best of luck.  With a fanbase like ours, he's going to need it (for at least a little while).  :wink:


Title: Re: A little over a week ago, I indicated here...
Post by: tnflower on December 07, 2012, 03:50:58 EST
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..I was expecting an announcement yesterday or today.  And, at that time, I mentioned that you would start hearing a couple more names being thrown into the mix, even though they would not excite anyone.  I did not mention Jones by name, but he was on that list.  I even told someone on Facebook a while back to expect an announcement today and that I hoped it would not be equated by Vols fans with it being Peral Harbor Day, i.e., I hoped Vols fans would not consider this to be a day to live in UT infamy.  I don't think there were any serious negotiations prior to Strong.  I think it will turn out that quite a few of the names being thrown around here and elsewhere actually were contacted, but they simply were not interested, so no real negotiations were ever started.  Regardless of whether they had been contacted by a search firm or Hart, they just were not coming to Knoxville.  As I posted previously, I have always believed that Tennessee is a unique program that requires a special type of person/head coach to succeed.  Perhaps Jones will ultimately be the football coach version of Bruce Pearl and will excite the fans with his enthusiasm and recruiting and in the end by winning.  Only time will tell.  But, unless he falls in love with the program and area and wants to stay there, he very well could succeed and then be like Kiffin and jump to his "dream" job if/when he gets the Vols back on track.  I have never been big on Hart making a "home run" hire.  No matter what, it's an unknown, even with someone like Gruden.  And, the fact that fans are disappointed or angry with this hire right now will not matter in the least if the program gets turned around.  In the end, it will come down to wins and losses, just like always.  So, as I firmly plant myself in "wait and see" mode, I wish Coach Jones the best of luck.  With a fanbase like ours, he's going to need it (for at least a little while).

 :clap:


Title: Re: A little over a week ago, I indicated here...
Post by: WoodstockVol on December 07, 2012, 03:51:13 EST
I've read good things about CBJ I hope He can get Tennessee moving in the right direction. He's a strong recruiter Who did a good job in a place that's hard to recruit at


Title: Re: A little over a week ago, I indicated here...
Post by: 10EC on December 07, 2012, 03:52:21 EST
If ever a man or a fanbase needed a miracle early win it is next season.  Oregon or maybe Florida.



Title: Re: A little over a week ago, I indicated here...
Post by: WoodstockVol on December 07, 2012, 03:56:32 EST
If ever a man or a fanbase needed a miracle early win it is next season.  Oregon or maybe Florida.



I think Tennessee's next big win is South Carolina at home


Title: Re: A little over a week ago, I indicated here...
Post by: Volznut on December 07, 2012, 04:07:00 EST
I think Tennessee's next big win is South Carolina at home

Maybe in 2015


Title: Re: A little over a week ago, I indicated here...
Post by: 73Volgrad on December 07, 2012, 04:17:24 EST
Real,

It does hurt the ego to be rejected.  Over the Dooley era, I came to the realization no big name coach is going to come to UT until we win again.  Why would they?  Look around people.  Many teams are now paying big money to even mediocre coaches and every conference is on TV everywhere. Competition in SEC is cut-throat.  It would appear not that many coaches are that driven to step into a meat grinder even for a lot of money.  Many coaches already make enough money where they are at and the fan base does not lambast them at every turn.  They did not want to be here.  Hart could not make big name coaches come here even with money.  Unless you grew up Big Orange, what do we have to offer?  A fickle fan base that stops going to games? A fractured fan base with part stuck in the past that cannot accept times changed and the coach did not?  Over history UT has never hired a big name that has succeeded.

Fans, Gruden was a fan's pipe dream that was keep alive by people who played on your desperation and used you for their own sick pleasure.  I truly believe that because over my 61 years on this earth some people just enjoy makin others unhappy. You got used for other's jolly. Learn from this and demand those who spread rumors provide a source's name before you believe them.  Otherwise consider it a lie because the majority of the time it is.


Title: Re: A little over a week ago, I indicated here...
Post by: WoodstockVol on December 07, 2012, 04:21:11 EST
Real,

It does hurt the ego to be rejected.  Over the Dooley era, I came to the realization no big name coach is going to come to UT until we win again.  Why would they?  Look around people.  Many teams are now paying big money to even mediocre coaches and every conference is on TV everywhere. Competition in SEC is cut-throat.  It would appear not that many coaches are that driven to step into a meat grinder even for a lot of money.  Many coaches already make enough money where they are at and the fan base does not lambast them at every turn.  They did not want to be here.  Hart could not make big name coaches come here even with money.  Unless you grew up Big Orange, what do we have to offer?  A fickle fan base that stops going to games? A fractured fan base with part stuck in the past that cannot accept times changed and the coach did not?  Over history UT has never hired a big name that has succeeded.

Fans, Gruden was a fan's pipe dream that was keep alive by people who played on your desperation and used you for their own sick pleasure.  I truly believe that because over my 61 years on this earth some people just enjoy makin others unhappy. You got used for other's jolly. Learn from this and demand those who spread rumors provide a source's name before you believe them.  Otherwise consider it a lie because the majority of the time it is.

Tennessee fans should have expectations to have winning seasons every year. If it scares off Coaches that Tennessee fans expect winning seasons every season to hell with them


Title: Re: A little over a week ago, I indicated here...
Post by: TheRealOrange on December 07, 2012, 04:31:13 EST
Tennessee fans should have expectations to have winning seasons every year. If it scares off Coaches that Tennessee fans expect winning seasons every season to hell with them

I don't think that is what was intended.  Tennessee fans absolutely should expect winning seasons and any coach in his right mind knows that.


Title: Re: A little over a week ago, I indicated here...
Post by: Clockwork Orange on December 07, 2012, 04:40:38 EST
I don't think that is what was intended.  Tennessee fans absolutely should expect winning seasons and any coach in his right mind knows that.

Further, a fanbase with high expectations (even a fractured one) should not be a turnoff for a coaching wanting to be at the highest level. It should be a draw.



Title: Re: A little over a week ago, I indicated here...
Post by: TheRealOrange on December 07, 2012, 04:46:47 EST
Further, a fanbase with high expectations (even a fractured one) should not be a turnoff for a coaching wanting to be at the highest level. It should be a draw.

Yep.  That said, fans who do crazy stuff (hire moving vans, burn things, etc.) based on unrealistic expectations could certainly turn someone off.  Tennessee having consistent winning football seasons is not an unrealistic expectation.


Title: Re: A little over a week ago, I indicated here...
Post by: BanditVol on December 07, 2012, 04:49:56 EST
Maybe in 2015

Or maybe this year.  Might depend on who we get back, I suppose.