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Title: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 05:18:40 EST
Seems pretty much everyone here wanted to lash out at a certain someone that had some criticisms of the offensive coaching staff a few weeks ago. This poster really got it good for having the audacity to say something about them. Now, after tonight, seems everyone wants to criticize the coaches for poor performance this season. So, I guess the thing to do for those of you that this applies to is to give a mighty large apology for lashing out against another for the same things many of you are now saying. I would wager a guess that such a thing won't happen and much rationalization will occur in order to avoid admitting you were wrong for berating someone that saw some concerns long before you. Now, say some mean things to me and pretend that you are better than I am because it makes you feel better. A last point, I'm not talking about me. I really don't care anything about coaching so long as it leads to winning.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: Hollerboy on November 24, 2013, 05:28:17 EST
Blah blah blah.....one year into a massive rebuilding job and "Expert" football analysts know more about coaching than this staff. I am at least consistent...this staff cannot be held responsible for the mess dooley left and it will take more than a season to fix it. CBJ has a proven record of being a winner...he doesnt suddenly forget how to coachcoach or suddenly just start sucking. Jmo


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 05:30:19 EST
Blah blah blah.....one year into a massive rebuilding job and "Expert" football analysts know more about coaching than this staff. I am at least consistent...this staff cannot be held responsible for the mess dooley left and it will take more than a season to fix it. CBJ has a proven record of being a winner...he doesnt suddenly forget how to coachcoach or suddenly just start sucking. Jmo


Mean things to say to me; there's the first one. Who's next? Don't be shy. Plenty of old posts on here to out you. No reason to hide now.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: midtnvol on November 24, 2013, 05:33:10 EST
I defend anyones right to disagree with me no matter how wrong they are.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: GreggO on November 24, 2013, 05:33:19 EST

Take two aspirins and call me in the morning.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 05:35:19 EST
Take two aspirins and call me in the morning.

Got a phone number?


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: Clockwork Orange on November 24, 2013, 05:36:17 EST
I stand by my comments that it's ridiculous to conclude that anyone on this staff is not going to make it at this level after watching the team this first year. And I don't recall anyone ever saying that the coaches couldn't be critiqued. That's a straw man.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: Hollerboy on November 24, 2013, 05:38:18 EST

Mean things to say to me; there's the first one. Who's next? Don't be shy. Plenty of old posts on here to out you. No reason to hide now.


Did you ever post here in the past under the handle "joevols"? or "everglades"?


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 05:38:48 EST
I stand by my comments that it's ridiculous to conclude that anyone on this staff is not going to make it at this level after watching the team this first year. And I don't recall anyone ever saying that the coaches couldn't be critiqued. That's a straw man.

It's not deniable that many here would not tolerate criticism a few weeks ago. Now it's popular and it's okay. Nothing straw man about it. No one is going to admit they were wrong because that's not how things are done on the internet.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 05:40:06 EST

Did you ever post here in the past under the handle "joevols"? or "everglades"?

No idea whose those people are.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: Clockwork Orange on November 24, 2013, 05:41:56 EST
It's not deniable that many here would not tolerate criticism a few weeks ago. Now it's popular and it's okay. Nothing straw man about it. No one is going to admit they were wrong because that's not how things are done on the internet.

I have had criticisms of the coaches going back to the Florida game if not earlier. Everyone has the right to criticize. They do not have the right to assume everyone will agree with their criticisms.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: GreggO on November 24, 2013, 05:43:05 EST
Got a phone number?

Sunday would not be a good day to get me riled. Hope things turn around for you; really do.


G    :powert:


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: Creek Walker on November 24, 2013, 05:44:52 EST
Maybe after we are through with the team we can take the criticizers of the coach criticizers out back and shoot them.  :rolleyes:


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 05:45:46 EST
Sunday would not be a good day to get me riled. Hope things turn around for you; really do.


G    :powert:



First of all, no you don't. Second, how would that God of yours feel about vague threats to another person over the internet? I'm gonna guess not too good.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 05:46:40 EST
Maybe after we are through with the team we can take the criticizers of the coach criticizers out back and shoot them.  :rolleyes:


I'm game.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: Clockwork Orange on November 24, 2013, 05:47:04 EST
Maybe after we are through with the team we can take the criticizers of the coach criticizers out back and shoot them.  :rolleyes:

Not so much here, but I've been astounded at the posts on other boards. People want to line up the whole team and staff and shoot them. I can't say I'm not upset because I'm beside myself over here. But there's just not a damn thing any of us can do but wait until there are new players in those uniforms and hope for the best.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 05:50:18 EST
Not so much here, but I've been astounded at the posts on other boards. People want to line up the whole team and staff and shoot them. I can't say I'm not upset because I'm beside myself over here. But there's just not a damn thing any of us can do but wait until there are new players in those uniforms and hope for the best.


This is a pretty accurate post, but I have to think no one really wants to shoot anyone on the team or the coaches, or anyone at all for that matter. I made a tongue in cheek comment about taking the team out back and shoot them. Obviously, I really don't want to shoot anyone, but I do want this crop of players, mostly, gone and some new and better players to be brought it.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: Clockwork Orange on November 24, 2013, 05:53:23 EST

This is a pretty accurate post, but I have to think no one really wants to shoot anyone on the team or the coaches, or anyone at all for that matter. I made a tongue in cheek comment about taking the team out back and shoot them. Obviously, I really don't want to shoot anyone, but I do want this crop of players, mostly, gone and some new and better players to be brought it.

I realize nobody wants to shoot the team. I am not completely ignorant of figurative language.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: PirateVOL on November 24, 2013, 05:53:40 EST
Useless thread, filled with some self loathing


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 05:59:42 EST
Useless thread, filled with some self loathing

Useful thread, filled with lots of relevant information. As expected, no one wants to admit that they maybe were a little too harsh on a guy (again, not me) that wasn't in love with the staff earlier this season. That's okay, though. Ball don't lie.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: GreggO on November 24, 2013, 06:03:10 EST


First of all, no you don't. Second, how would that God of yours feel about vague threats to another person over the internet? I'm gonna guess not too good.

I'll talk if you like, just not here. PM me if you want.


G    :powert:


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 06:06:40 EST
I'll talk if you like, just not here. PM me if you want.


G    :powert:


I love you, man


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 06:09:25 EST
Useless thread, filled with some self loathing

I feel like one of your posts disappeared, but I managed to read it first, and I learned something.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: droner on November 24, 2013, 06:09:57 EST
Useful thread, filled with lots of relevant information. As expected, no one wants to admit that they maybe were a little too harsh on a guy (again, not me) that wasn't in love with the staff earlier this season. That's okay, though. Ball don't lie.

I'm at a loss to understand this thread. If I'm correct, you're upset because certain unnamed posters took to task a certain other unnamed poster or posters because the latter unnamed poster(s) were criticizing the coaches and now the parties of the first part are now themselves criticizing the coaches. Is that it?

If so,....I"m still at a loss to understand this thread.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: PirateVOL on November 24, 2013, 06:11:02 EST
I feel like one of your posts disappeared, but I managed to read it first, and I learned something.
note I used no names but if the shoe fits, wear it well ... :rolleyes:


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: PirateVOL on November 24, 2013, 06:12:28 EST
I'm at a loss to understand this thread. If I'm correct, you're upset because certain unnamed posters took to task a certain other unnamed poster or posters because the latter unnamed poster(s) were criticizing the coaches and now the parties of the first part are now themselves criticizing the coaches. Is that it?

If so,....I"m still at a loss to understand this thread.
i think the matter at bar is rather frivolous  :dunno:


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 06:17:58 EST
note I used no names but if the shoe fits, wear it well ... :rolleyes:

I need a new pair of shoes.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: Inspector Vol on November 24, 2013, 06:18:56 EST
I have had criticisms of the coaches going back to the Florida game if not earlier. Everyone has the right to criticize. They do not have the right to assume everyone will agree with their criticisms.

I agree with this, and I never asked anyone to agree with me.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 06:19:48 EST
I'm at a loss to understand this thread. If I'm correct, you're upset because certain unnamed posters took to task a certain other unnamed poster or posters because the latter unnamed poster(s) were criticizing the coaches and now the parties of the first part are now themselves criticizing the coaches. Is that it?

If so,....I"m still at a loss to understand this thread.

I know the guy. He was treated unfairly. It's not okay to do that.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: PirateVOL on November 24, 2013, 06:23:35 EST
The only thing these players on this team do reliably is suck at football. They need to be taken out back and shot. The lack of talent is one thing, but no effort from these massive ass offensive linemen to get a push against smaller defensive linemen is the most bullshizzle thing I've ever seen. fizzle that.
just because you showed your ass doesn't mean you need to get your panties in a wad trying to portend you are defending the honor of a vague individual when the fact is your self loathing is what got your ass in a crack to start with  :violin:


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 06:26:05 EST
just because you showed your ass doesn't mean you need to get your panties in a wad trying to portend you are defending the honor of a vague individual when the fact is your self loathing is what got your ass in a crack to start with  :violin:

I like the insults.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: PirateVOL on November 24, 2013, 06:38:47 EST
I like the insults.
well, if you insist on digging yourself deeper into your hole, go for it

BTW that was not an insult.  Unless you call your quoted post an insult to yourself???


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: VinnieVOL on November 24, 2013, 06:42:07 EST
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Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 06:42:37 EST
well, if you insist on digging yourself deeper into your hole, go for it

BTW that was not an insult.  Unless you call your quoted post an insult to yourself???


You might be the happiest person I've ever kind of met, as much as one person can meet another on the internet.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: PirateVOL on November 24, 2013, 06:43:41 EST
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you got that from the halftime show :toothless:


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: VinnieVOL on November 24, 2013, 06:45:39 EST
you got that from the halftime show :toothless:

D'oh!   :wink:


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: PirateVOL on November 24, 2013, 06:55:42 EST

You might be the happiest person I've ever kind of met, as much as one person can meet another on the internet.
well, it counters your self loathing unhappiness
It's the least I can do :naughty:


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: Inspector Vol on November 24, 2013, 06:58:19 EST
I'm at a loss to understand this thread. If I'm correct, you're upset because certain unnamed posters took to task a certain other unnamed poster or posters because the latter unnamed poster(s) were criticizing the coaches and now the parties of the first part are now themselves criticizing the coaches. Is that it?

If so,....I"m still at a loss to understand this thread.

You are correct but let me see if I can clear it up for you. I called into question the ability of the OC in particular two weeks ago. I had a fairly harsh critique about him and didn't think he would last. I was severely taken to task for that. I say severely because it isn't like I am a newbie here and don't really make a habit of calling out staff on game day. I even defended kiffin.....for awhile. Regardless the slams came at me and I don't expect others to agree with me about everything but this was a little more than typical disagreement. Another poster personally known to more board members than I gives critiques every game day, sometimes good , sometimes not......nary a word is uttered in opposition. I understand why. People take the comments of people they know more than people they don't. I can live with that, its understandable. (I made that known in a PM to another poster)

What we have today is a pointing out of that fact and it obviously makes people uncomfortable to the point they attacked the person pointing out the inconsistency. That is also typical behavior for people. No one likes to have things pointed out to them, me included.

To take some of the guess work out of who is who and why they care what was said to whom the party in question is my oldest son, which explains his interest in the topic. He thought I was treated unfairly and said so. I know better than to expect fairness from people, even though I try to impart it on everyone else as best I can. So this thread can go on and on, or be locked or whatever but this same person who is "self loathing" whatever kind of slander that is supposed to be, spent from Nov 05 to Nov 2010 in the Army with 2 tours of duty in Iraq. He won't like me mentioning that as he did not like his time in service, but he did it and did it to the best of his ability.

I made the point I wanted in another thread. As far as this thread goes, I don't really care about what is discussed, or how, but the insults need to stop.  



Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: PirateVOL on November 24, 2013, 07:03:58 EST
You are correct but let me see if I can clear it up for you. I called into question the ability of the OC in particular two weeks ago. I had a fairly harsh critique about him and didn't think he would last. I was severely taken to task for that. I say severely because it isn't like I am a newbie here and don't really make a habit of calling out staff on game day. I even defended kiffin.....for awhile. Regardless the slams came at me and I don't expect others to agree with me about everything but this was a little more than typical disagreement. Another poster personally known to more board members than I gives critiques every game day, sometimes good , sometimes not......nary a word is uttered in opposition. I understand why. People take the comments of people they know more than people they don't. I can live with that, its understandable. (I made that known in a PM to another poster)

What we have today is a pointing out of that fact and it obviously makes people uncomfortable to the point they attacked the person pointing out the inconsistency. That is also typical behavior for people. No one likes to have things pointed out to them, me included.

To take some of the guess work out of who is who and why they care what was said to whom the party in question is my oldest son, which explains his interest in the topic. He thought I was treated unfairly and said so. I know better than to expect fairness from people, even though I try to impart it on everyone else as best I can. So this thread can go on and on, or be locked or whatever but this same person who is "self loathing" whatever kind of slander that is supposed to be, spent from Nov 05 to Nov 2010 in the Army with 2 tours of duty in Iraq. He won't like me mentioning that as he did not like his time in service, but he did it and did it to the best of his ability.

I made the point I wanted in another thread. As far as this thread goes, I don't really care about what is discussed, or how, but the insults need to stop.  


no apologies

I knew generic was kin to someone but couldn't remember who.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 07:07:00 EST
no apologies

I knew generic was kin to someone but couldn't remember who.


We should hang out socially.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: Inspector Vol on November 24, 2013, 07:25:11 EST
no apologies

I knew generic was kin to someone but couldn't remember who.

Color me not surprised. 


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: PirateVOL on November 24, 2013, 02:08:07 EST
Color me not surprised. 
why should you be?
Your post changed nothing with regards to generic's posts
If he wants to act like a whining five year old I'll call him on it.

His service to the Country is honorable but doesn't have a damn thing to do with his posts last night.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: Inspector Vol on November 24, 2013, 02:22:38 EST
Don't really see the 5 yr old part but if we are going to start calling everyone out on everything that is said we don't agree with or like................ then let the games begin. This should be fun even if it is short lived as I don't suspect TRO will be much for the gaming. 


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: generic name here on November 24, 2013, 02:27:35 EST
why should you be?
Your post changed nothing with regards to generic's posts
If he wants to act like a whining five year old I'll call him on it.

His service to the Country is honorable but doesn't have a damn thing to do with his posts last night.


Hey, if you want to see a good example of a whiny poster, check out this guy over on the political forum called PirateVol. Guy can't go five minutes without complaining about the President.


Title: Re: Let's talk criticism of the coaches
Post by: droner on November 24, 2013, 04:07:30 EST
People have the right to express their opinions here. People have the right to disagree with those opinions. There should be no insults or name calling. I am surprised, although not greatly, that is necessary to repeat that.

This thread has now run its course. It is now locked.

Let's start over and try again. Be nice. Or at least fairly civil.