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Just own it. Winning the East was a major goal. If it's not, he needs to be gone.

Why not just be honest? It ain't that difficult.

He looks like an idiot when he makes statements like this. Just tell the damned truth. When he does crap like that he treats the fan base like we are too stupid to see through his BS.

And I've got news for him. He's not smarter than we are.

And he also said that it's been a while since UT won 8 games in the regular season. 

Guess he forgot about last year.   :rolleyes:

Yep...heard him say what the OP posted.

He also led off the interview with Bob by saying we just had the biggest fan attendance since 2008. He knows attendance figures but can't figure out how to keep KY and Mizzou from gaining close to 1,400 yards combined.

He's a master of the coachspeak. At least he's got that going for him.   :dunno:

I understand coachspeak. I understand sometimes using it.

What I find offensive is the dishonest answers. We are simply supposed to accept these as truth because Butch spoke it?  I'm not that stupid.

He would most likely would still tell us that going for the one to go up 27-14 against UF was the right decision.

Im not disagreeing at all. His shtick is worn out on me.

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I've seen more posts on several boards about this than I've seen posts about LSU losing and us not having a chance to go to Atlanta.

He's lost a lot of support.

It would help if you actually posted what he said in the OP  :dunno: :dunno: :dielaughing:

The first line is a distillation of his post game statement
It was pure, unadulterated BS and against ALL his previous statments about playing for championships, etc
Butch lost a large chunk of his supporters not owning up to the failure to win the East

How is "just own it. Winning the East was a major goal." a distillation of anything?  No worries, I'll do my own research.

And definitely form my own opinion.  I'm usually one of those people that's easy to sway, right?   :naughty:

he totally flipped his previous statements.  Yeah, to an extent it is coach speak but in the end, by reversing his previous statements he lost a lot of support.
If he is not here to win Championships then just go so we can get someone in who is, and not just mouth the words when the going is good.
Those fans that were on the fence are no longer perched there.
Excuses are for losers

Well for the record, their are plenty of butt hurt fans today, but as for the statement above that message board opinion is turning against Butch, I don't see it.

This particular post got 43 likes on VN.  And that has not always been the case until this season.

I'm so sick of the Nega Vols on this board
I'd say about half the posts are people trashing Butch Jones and our coaches, but mostly Butch. Yeah, ****ty coach, I much more liked the guy before him who butchered our program! 🙄

Why don't some of you idiots look at the improvement in our program over the past 4 years and realize we're headed in the right direction. Hell, even Saban didn't win a title until he'd been a head coach for 10 years. In fact, he didn't have a 10 win season until his 8th year.

We were all pretty damn miserable 5 years ago and we're much, much better today. Who is responsible for that? Butch Jones is! Give the guy some slack! He's doing one helluva lot better than Charlie Strong is. Would you rather have had him????

Damn guys...just chill!

@ OP.  The answer is "no, he doesn't think you are that stupid."  Here's why.  It seems the flap started when Rhiannon Potkey tweeted that Jones "never discussed winning the SEC East".  That was highly misleading.

https://www.seccountry.com/tennessee/what-butch-jones-said-after-tennessee-wallops-missouri

What he actually was responding to is, did he discuss how the LSU Florida game would affect our chances of winning the SEC East with the team?  And the answer is no.  And he should not have.  We don't control the stupid shizzle LSU did yesterday, just what we do against Mizzou.  And here's hoping we focus on Vandy also.  I do. not. want.  To lose. To those little shizzles.

* Jones on the Florida-LSU game: “We never addressed it one single time.”  Jones said “you never heard me talk about” the SEC East

Context, baby.  :biggrin:

Post game press conference.

Two questions. First question (paraphrased): "Was the other game going on today a distraction?".  Answer (paraphrased) 'No. Our goal is to be 1-0 every week '. I actually like this response.

Second question (paraphrased): 'After it was clear that the goal of winning the East wasn't possible, did it affect the team?'. Answer: (paraphrased) 'You never heard me say it was a goal. You never heard the players say it was a goal.'

He lies about things that don't matter.  I suppose he expects us to buy in to the lies, because he says it.  That's stupid.

Admit that you came up short. Vote to work harder and be resilient going forward. Don't say that it wasn't a goal.

22 minute mark of the press conference. Follow-up question.

Second question (paraphrased): 'After it was clear that the goal of winning the East wasn't possible, did it affect the team?'. Answer: (paraphrased) 'You never heard me say it was a goal. You never heard the players say it was a goal.'

Still not clear that it he is talking about ever, in the entire season. And I can't tell exactly what he said with you paraphrasing it.  It does seem very likely that he is saying in the context of yesterday's game. 

Uh.  Still not seeing it.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/tennessee-vols-football/268093-cant-real-butch-jones-quote.html

(On how he reacted to seeing the Florida-LSU score)
"Didn't handle it any way. The only thing that matters is being 1-0 this week and controlling what we can control, and that's winning the football game. We never addressed it one single time, and I think when you look at it, our character was displayed once again with our players. But again, everything is about our team and working to be 1-0, and that's all that matters."

(On if the win tonight was bittersweet with the way other games played out)
"You never heard me talk about it. Never heard the players talk about it. Our goal is to be 1-0 every week, and what happens happens. Again, I'm not going to sit in here and complain. We just won eight games, and that hasn't been done here in a long time. We have an opportunity to win nine. Obviously we have strong expectations for this football program, but right now, I'm going to talk about the win and talk about our seniors and how far our football has come.


Actually seems like a very reasonable answer to me.  He is saying,it seems to me, that they didn't talk about being disappointed in the way it played out.  Only losers who want to be miserable roll around in stuff like that.

And for those carping about the eight win comment, it's very clear that he meant 8 wins...at this point in the season. Otherwise it's highly likely that he would not mention 9 wins is possible.   :patriot:

If he isn't talking about winning the east, he should be.

I watched the video and to me it came across as BS.

If others disagree, I'm OK with that.

He has. Just not during the game yesterday, which is highly appropriate I think. 

Rhiannon Potkey apparently stirred the pot with a really misleading tweet.  Reporters..what are you gonna do with them?   :naughty:

Pirate gets it.

More measurements of Butch Jones' success by VolNation post likes? :laugh:

Tennessee failed to win the worst-ever SEC East and a statistical argument can be made that this is one of the worst defenses in school history. Very people are calling for Jones to be fired this year because of that but when you start making stupid excuses, people are going to call you on it. It goes back to the press conference junk a couple of weeks ago: Butch Jones is unnecessarily and foolishly making his job harder than it has to be.

My post was made after I listened to the press conference, not ion response to any reporters tweets.  I saw tweets from Fortenberry's and others which prompted me to watch the press conference for myself.

I my view, his answer was BS.

. . . . . . . . . . with everyone.   :wink:

Yes because VN has mostly been unremittingly negative about Butch. That has changed recently.

But mostly, if not entirely, I posted that because a certain other poster said elsewhere on this board that "message board opinoon is turning against Butch" due to his post conference comments. That is demonstrably untrue.  :cool:

The topic is Jones being disingenuous. I would agree he is heavy on coach speak. Otherwise I have no opinion. In all honesty, UT doesn't want any part of bama the way the defense is surrendering yards. I can live with injuries & the Hurd fiasco costing us tamu, bama embarrassment, and usce. Not making excuses. Just the facts. If Jones chose to leave on his own, I wouldn't be broken hearted. Otherwise, let's beat Vandy, win our bowl and hopefully continue improving. Make the least of what's past & the most of what's ahead. The only comparable rebuilding job in UT history, under Majors, was far more erratic, and took 9 years to win the SEC. I am disappointed in no SECCG, but still it would be an exercise in futility.

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Saying he didn't discuss the loss of LSU to Florida is not "unadulterated BS" as Pirate says. It's actually good coaching IMO.

Or do you think he should have mentioned it at hakftime? I dont!

No he should not have addressed it, nor should he be making a big deal of it now... With a tough game to play.

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The point was.... winning the East wasn't discussed by him or the team and it wasn't even discussed. So...Butch or his staff or his team didn't have a season goal of winning the East??! You really believe that?

Good grief....it wasn't about him telling the team that LSU lost. Of course a coach doesn't go up and down the sidelines during the game and say well guys.....LSU lost and we didn't win the East.

Some other things said.


Rocky Top Insider ‏@rockytopinsider 8m8 minutes ago
 Jones on losing the East: “You never heard me talk about it, you never heard the players talk about it. Our goal is to be 1-0 every week"

 Charlie Garner III ‏@CharlieGarner 21 seconds ago
 Not talking about it? Not feeling that answer. Every year that's talked about! These are standards already set!#VFL

 @wesrucker247: Butch: "I'm not gonna sit here and talk about (not winning SEC East). We just won our eighth game. That hasn't been done here in a while."


My gosh Butch....we won 8 regular season games last year.

So a certain poster won't be disappointed:

Butch is a MAC level coach.  Period.  Dot.  Period. 

It seems to me there are two different issues: (1) did the coaches and team talk about winning the east during the week leading up to the Missouri game; and (2) did the coaches and team talk about winning the east prior to the season and when winning the east was within their control?  I can believe they did not do the first, as it was totally out of their hands. I cannot believe they did not do the second, as they are on record as having championships as a goal. Exactly which was he addressing?  From context, it seems to be the first.

I am disappointed. Let's win out. The damage was done in that three game stretch. He may be MAC. For whatever reason UT doesn't go big for coaches. Maybe he will leave. Is the timing right for a big splash hire? Idk.

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I'm not looking for UT to fire the coach. It's in the program's best interest for him to succeed. That's what I'm hoping for.

In the video, as a follow up question, someone asks if it is bittersweet due to the fact that 'the east is what you guys and a lot of the players talk about all year'. He responds 'you never heard me talk about it, never heard the players talk about it '.

Seems to be about the 4:00 to 4:30 mark of this video:  https://youtu.be/GEt4p4sgU7M (https://youtu.be/GEt4p4sgU7M)

Except me.....we agree!   :naughty: :naughty:

Well, going back and listening to it, he does have a bit of an attitude about it, and is definitely defensive.  Having said that, his answer is still along the lines of "one game at a time".  Which is consistent with everything that he has always said, and in fact what Saban says is the proper approach.   That is, do your job in this game, win one at a time, and let the championships and rankings take care of themselves.

That's not the same as saying "we didn't have a goal of winning the SEC East".  If you listen to what Butch has said in the past, which is what Saban always says and it's possible that Butch is emulating him, is that you don't talk about outcomes, you talk about what you have to do to win the game you are in.

I can see where the bit of defensiveness he has could rub people the wrong way though, and I think he could have answered the question better.

Baaaaaaaaah!