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I know, I know..  but if you'll set aside the title aimed at getting attention, the article is quite sobering.  While I don't believe at all that he actually is on the hot seat or should be, you have to admit that you can't answer the question Clay poses:

If Derek Dooley and Tennessee can't beat either rival SEC East team now or even run for positive offensive yardage, why should anyone believe that Tennessee is going to beat Georgia or Florida when both teams are better?

"...but the SEC East teams that are beating Tennessee are young too. News flash, Georgia and Florida are bad this year. Do you know what year the running back is who gouged you? Freshman. Do you know what year the wide receiver is who your corners couldn't cover? Freshman."

http://outkickthecoverage.com/derek-dooley-squarely-on-hot-seat-even-if-his-momma-doesnt-like-it.php (http://outkickthecoverage.com/derek-dooley-squarely-on-hot-seat-even-if-his-momma-doesnt-like-it.php)

When Clay isn't being a perv he has some pretty good stuff, but I look to certain people for certain types of advice. My sister is great with languages, but is no help whatsoever with automotive wisdom. Dad excels there, but isn't the greatest source of financial expertise.

When Clay writes about conference expansion he gets it, but when it comes to football he rides whatever emotional wave has just rolled through. This is entertaining, but leads to cherry-picking stats that bolster his "things are great" or "the sky is falling" view. He's rarely middle of the road on anything. Three fifths of UGA's OL starters are seniors and the DL started a senior, junior and redshirt sophomore (source below).

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/geo/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/release/release_20111003aaa.pdf (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/geo/sports/m-footbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/release/release_20111003aaa.pdf)

You can plug in young skill position players when there's experience up front. There are areas where UT can improve, but I'm still in wait and see mode. It's early to lop of 'eads.

Dead on.  Skill players, particularly running backs, don't really need experience.  They either have it or not.  Jamal Lewis had a hell of a freshman year.

we don't have one of that caliber. We have three guys with high level SEC skill on offense. D Rogers, Rivera, and Bray. Hunter as well, but he is gone. I guess so is Bray for 6 weeks now. Lane shows promise, but I am not sure about him yet.

It's depressing, but we're 2 years away from fielding a high level SEC team. I thought maybe 2012, and we will be better in 2012, but not high level SEC

Clay needs some facts about football and coaching at the University of Tennessee. There is no quick fix. Clay, read this and learn something:
 http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2011/10/9/2480087/game-expectations-and-results-an-unnecessary-defense-of-dooley

Hot seat my sore a$$.

No shizzle, but the point is that Georgia has better lines than us, not that its such a big deal that Crowell is a frosh.  He is not that impressive anyway.

Clay is an idiot. And why is he talking about the running back who "gouged" us? Crowell had 58 yards on 19 carries. That was actually one of UT's strong points Saturday.  :rolleyes:

he's better than anything we have. And he is a true FR. We need a game changing back, period. Our running game issues are NOT just the OL. It's the OL, schemes, and RBs. And Georgia should not have better lines than us, they have less depth on the OL this year, and if you look at rankings, our OL should be really good, especially by next year.

My fear is it's always going to be "next year".  I know we all knew this was a rebuilding project.. But dang, when are we gonna start winning a big SEC game here and there?

Come on guys!!  Everyone here...and I think EVERYONE...said it was a MINIMUM of 3 years for Dooley to begin to be really competative....and it will be.   Probably 4 to be competing for the East.   Really now...hot seat??? I think not...not yet.  In 2 year, if he's not competitive, then yes...he'll be on the hot seat.  But everything his Momma said -- even if she was his Momma....was absolutely true.  Clay is an idiot!

It won't be this year. Not with no bray, Hunter, JJ, Lathers, and zero running game

"Next year" talk gets old, but at times it has merit.
1) This year we seriously upgraded QB play (until the injury), the OL (experience and strength-wise), RB (still not there, but upgraded) and WRs are in good shape considering our deep threat is hurt and Moore and Jones have departed. That's progress.

2) The cupboard was bare all across the D. Hood is working hard and we're starting to get something out of the young guys.

Considering we had around 70 guys on scholarship last year, many not SEC-caliber, and I think we're tracking o.k. So long as controllable improvement (injuries won't be counted against the staff) I'm good.

Oh yeah, Devrin Young should definitely be counted in the progress category. I think the staff does a good job recruiting so that makes me think there's hope to get better.

As disgusted as I am, I dont think Dooley is on the hot seat. My biggest gripe with the coaching is the run game and it being way worse than last year but I don't know how much of that is their fault.  :dunno: 

I don't disagree at all that we could or should have better running backs.  More on that in a moment.  Georgia has 3 senior OL and we have none.  So how about I say they have a more experienced line?  Clay's point is that Georgia is just as young as us.  I disagree.  Their OL is loaded with vets and ours is still kind of green.

As for the young running back stud, I dont disagree at all that we need one, and in a big way.

Which brings up an interesting question...did Oku get a fair shot?  Why was he dropped to third in the rotation immediately?   Because I don't really think those guys that were ahead of him have got it done.

I can think of a couple of reasons, but I would like to have him around still.

But you are right, we need a stud RB.

Clay still makes some valid points.  If we can't beat UF and UGA now, then when?  UGA's coaching situation is still in limbo.. But UF is going to get better, not worse.

And I don't see us outrecruiting them.

Is Richt really gone?  I don't think so. I think uga wins the East.   Their only tough remaining game in the SEC is Florida, and that is going to be a function of whether Brantley is back or not.  So he goes to the SECCG and they fire him?  I don't think so.

As for Muschamp, are you serious?  I actually agree with Barbara Dooley on this one.  UF is simply loaded with 4 and 5 star talent and he has yet to do squat with it.   I am not sure Meyer was ever out of the top 5 in recruiting.   I was wondering how Muschamp would turn out.  I am not impressed so far.   And what about the constant blowups on the sideline and (perhaps related) lack of discipline (ie penalties) by his team?

I am not worried about Georgia or Florida, but I am worried about Tennessee.  We need to step up recruiting and further develop our players.  Hey recruiting news HAS been good lately.   And last year we lost to this same team 41-14, and Murray was a true frosh.   It's not as bad as it seems.

I forgot that uga still plays Auburn.  That will be a tough one, but from what I have seen they can win it.

Muschamp is having to try and run his pro style scheme with Meyer's spread players.  I maintain they will get better, not worse.  And to be honest I don't think his sideline blowups have to do with anything.  That's just Muschamp.. Always has been.

Clay is a Finebaum wannabe

You haven't been tracking their penalties.

You may be right.  My oldest UT buddy, the guy I went to the bammer games in 1989 and 1995 with, says that Meyer needs to get rid of the "pinball" players like Rainey and Demps and get some power running backs.

But isn't Muschamp a defensive genius?  Isn't the two-deep gator D just loaded with studs?  And LSU hangs 41 on them?  Really?  LSU?  Sorry, I think he suxes.  It is early though....

But for the record, here are the starting UF DLs and their Phil Steele recruiting ranks:

Jaye Howard #23
Dominique Easley # 6
Sharrif Floyd # #3

Then in the two deep, among others, are William Green #5, and Omar Hunter #6

That s for the pure DLs.  The hybrid LB/DE "buck" position is:

Ronald Powell #5

Backing him up?  Chris Martin #4.

I am now going to post rush yards allowed in a separate email because I am over-running the buffer.

Bammer ran for 226
LSU ran for 238

Now...I know that LSU and bammer have two of the best, if not THE best power rush games in the country.  But should they be able to run over all that UF talent like that?  Does Muschamp not have a rep as a defensive genius?  And now my final question...did you see how the Texas D did last year?

I feel very good about our chances vs. Florida in the near future.  In fact, we get them at home next year with a fully loaded offense (I hope), a defense that I see improvement in every week, and no Brantley (have you seen his backups?  Have you?   :thumbup:).

I LOVE me some Muschamp....in a manly way of course.   

Disclaimer...it is early.  But DUDE...me likey!   :clap:

PS  If you have time, look up how penalized UF is as well.  If that ain't coachin' what is?

I can't resist one final note.  How did the spread-offensive "genius" Meyer (or was it Mullins?) do with Chris Leake as QB?  In fairness, the main problem with the gator offense is that Brantley is hurt.  But I think he looked weak anyway.

I agree 100%...................and I drink the orange kool-aid............................this game was like a kick in the balls to the thought that we are improving............I'm tired of We will be better next year................... we cannot beat a decent SEC team......................all we can do is beat up on weak non conference teams......................If Murray was a good QB they would have hit on 5 of the 6 wide open post routes.................they had our DB's smoked.

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Wow,  I didn't know it was possible to almost completely disagree.  But see above.

Let me just say that I don't call losing to a team by less points improvement.  That means we theoretically have 7 more years of potential improvement against UGA.

We just see things differently and that's ok, but imho losing is losing.

It makes a big difference to me.  Last year, did anyone actually think we could have beaten uga or should have?  This year we all think we could or should have.  To me that's a big difference.  Definitely okay if you disagree though.

Like Vinnie put it A LOSS IS A LOSS................................THEY should have beat us by 20 points..............the score doesn't make the loss any different......................losing by 20 is no different than a 3 point loss they all count in the L column...........unless a miracle happens we will struggle to win 6 games and that is NOT IMPROVING...................................................

And to the question on if we could or should've beaten Georgia last year................Answer is Hell Yes we should have beaten them
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Good grief, people. If an 8-pt. loss to UGA sets off this much pissing and moaning, I dread to see what's coming after LSU and Alabama plaster us the next two weeks.

Dooley has been the coach at Tennessee for 18 games. He may be the best coach in college football...but he ain't a miracle worker.

Yeah................an 8 point loss to a team that is not good...............................................those are the games you have to win....................we all expect to get beat bad by LSU and Damn Bammer..............................................

 :powert:

An 8 point loss to a team likely to win the East, actually, or at least compete with USCe for it.

 :banghead:

Well I expect more than what I see from them on the field..................................you guys can be satisfied with this loss all you want to!!!!!

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:rolleyes: Who is satisfied? That's nuts. There's a huge difference in being dissatisfied with a loss and the team's performance and starting to turn on the coach, who EVERYBODY agreed in the beginning that it would take at least 3 years to turn it around.

no one is turning on Dooley..............................................................we have not improved over last year because of the O-LINE play.......................I am questioning the O-LINE coaching job though.....................................................................

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and I will never accept losing to a team that is NOTGOOD........................ it is sad for the SEC EAST that they might compete for the EAST crown because they are just not a good football team......................................................The SEC EAST has no real quality teams this year.

 :powert:

SEC East is down, everyone knows that.  UGA was a coin toss game, and its the way we lost it that troubles me.  I'm not about to jump off the Gay St bridge or anything.. But the areas we desperately need to improve in aren't improving.  Quite frustrating.

I agree

 :powert:

On the bright side the Henley Street bridge is unvailable as a lauching point. 

Let's just fire coaches every other year.  Can't win more than six games when you lose 4 of your tip 5 players? Hit the road you bum!  :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

No SEC team with as many starting freshmen/sophomores can afford any injuries.  If Dooley keeps getting good recruiting classes & gets depth at the skilled positions, we'll see what type of Xs & Os coach he is.

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Yes UGa and UF are down... We still aren't as talented as they are. Shame on anybody for letting this article start any such talk. Clay is trying to get Barbara Dooley mad so she will come on his show. BD = ratings.

This is why I hate Clay Travis.

I just want to make it clear that I am in no way saying we need to fire Dooley or that I think he is on the hot seat.   :smile:

Wow, a stir the shizzle story by Clay Travis and many are going into Def Con 1.  I thought we should have won that game.  I'm very disappointed.  We'll see if GA is as mediocre as I thought they were.  Either way, I'll remain disappointed, even if it was my overly inflated expectations.  But I'm not ready to throw Dooley under the bus yet.  Our program, much like Rome, is not gonna be rebuilt in a day.