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Hart already has his guy and that the decision has already been made to make the change, but it won't be announced until later in the season, or possibly even after the regular season.

Wow......................................I just think we need to make a change, even with the risks...................................credible source?

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Gruden??.........................................seen at a Waffle House in Knoxville Saturday after the game............................... :naughty:
Manning??
Cut??

I wouldn't call it concrete, but yes I'd say that it's credible... if it's wrong, it's not because the person I heard it from is trolling.

No names given or implied.

Maybe there is hope after all......................................the pic of Hart on GoVols, talking about the MS game.......................he looked like he could kick someone in the face, and he looks fairly short, and not very flexible.............. :bowrofl:

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I expected that we would lose to Bammer, but the game from our side was uglier that i thought it would be.............. :hurl:

If true, kudos to Hart for not running his mouth about it to the KNS... Like Hammy.

OTOH, Idk how he expects to keep it quiet.

I think the writing is definitely on the wall now, and a change is inevitable.  The only question is, how soon?  Driving home last night, I wondered if Dooley would even make it beyond Monday (tomorrow).  

Same way I feel.

But there is no such thing as a moral loss.  A loss is a loss.   :dance:

I've heard quite a bit, some of it from the former Vol that got me into the Letterman Club.  Unlike you, I have heard a definite name.

It's the same one everyone else has heard.

MO...it's all smoke. 

Interesting.  I asked Emeril if he thought Dooley makes it through the weekend.
Upon reflection I think that while Dooley may know sooner the public will not know till closer to or after the end of the regular season.

Why?  See 2008 and the circus due to the idiocy of Hamilton

I would almost bet my house Dooley is not getting let go tomorrow.  If he does, once again, I have no respect for Hart.

I won't believe that name until it's announced. I still think we will be mining in Kirby Smart / Charlie Strong / Troy Calhoun territory.

That's exactly why it's not going to happen this week.

Sorta makes sense, in some ways Dooley seems less interested... Sure seems to be saying "I don't know" a lot.

I think you're probably right, but public sentiment is so strong now that I wouldn't be surprised if they throw that dog a bone sooner rather than later.  If they do, Hart had better already have a deal in place.

Absolutely.

I would take either of two of those names.  I do want someone who has ben a successful HC (a point of discussion would be the definition of successful).
I'd take Calhoun, if only for not telling the Wyoming coach where to stuff it during or after the profanity tirade by said coach after their game last week.  I'd post the youtube link but the language is not for the faint of heart.

Dooley did fly back with Hart last week from crooked letter state and the environment was termed "chilly"

I just don't know if Calhoun would translate to the SEC and I think that's only a small step up from Dooley.

I think Charlie Strong is the best realistic name out there.

Kirby Smart may be a damn fine coach, but he has not done it without Saban. At least UF could say that Muschamp coached at Auburn and Texas without Saban. I think Smart is a really risky hire. Tennessee is not a job where a guy needs to be a first time head coach.

We would be in general agreement :nod:

My husband was saying the same thing and wondered if Strong was approached before we hired Dooley.

At the time, I'm not sure he was as good a candidate as he is now.

Some of our Bammer guests yesterday stated that Hart has a pretty big ego, and would probably try to make a huge splash with any hire he makes.  Of course, that could work the other way too- as in, hiring a virtual unknown, and if they work out, you can later make the claim, "I discovered that guy".  Sometimes I wonder if that was what Hamilton was thinking when he hired Dooley. :dunno:

So you're saying that Hart is also a wishy-washy, panty-wearing, scared-of-his-own-shadow wuss like Hamilton who runs for cover when a whiny fanbase starts pissing and moaning?

I seriously doubt it.  If he over-reacts to the usual bitching and moaning (bitching and moaning that occured under Fulmer even in 1999) then he isn't any better than Hamilton.

Someone needs to have the stones to not react to fickle fan attitudes and do what's right for the program anyway.  Firing Dooley now is not, or not how I see it anyway.

Believe it or not, I am really pissd off that Dooley is our coach at all.  If the fanbase had any of the fight they expect in the team and coaches, he wouldn't be, because people would not have wanted Fulmer out in 2007.

No, I think he was thinking "Oh shizzle, I have to get a coach and I was actually stupid enough to say I'd get one "by the end of the week" ".  (I kid you not, he actually said that  :frown:).

If anything, he was thinking that with Kiffin, who while he had NFL experience, was a failure at such.

And as for your comment above, that public opinion is running so strongly, I did a quick survey of the comments on this Adams article:

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2012/oct/21/john-adams-vols-playing-at-a-level-that-could/

It was roughly split between comments against Dooley vs. those that were neutral or for him.  FWIW. 

No doubt there are more wanting him out than before, but it's hardly unanimous.  This VTTW corner we inhabit is a pretty small section of the Vol World after all. 

Let me qualify that...I mean there is hardly enough sentiment out there to get him fired THIS WEEK, and at the risk of offending you I think it's silly to think it would happen.  Not only is the sentiment nearly so bad as you imply, but Hart also doesn't strike me as the type to act prematurely.

I could be wrong, I have been plenty of times in the past, but there aren't a whole lot of people yelling that they want Dooley fired this week. By the end of the season...maybe.

The fan base will not be divided over the dismissal of Dooley. He's not a Tennessee guy like Fulmer
 I'd say the majority of fans want Dooley gone and nearly all fans wouldn't be upset by it.

It was 2008 that got Fulmer canned. In 2007 he went to the SECCG.

And your last sentence is a ridiculous statement that is not really worthy of discussion other than to say that even today it is obvious how far the program had slipped under Fulmer, especially Fulmer without Cutcliffe.

No one is saying they will.  Regardless, it never makes sense to rush into a coaching change, no matter what fans think or how impatient they are.  Do it the right way.

I guess I'm still pissed that we ever had someone like Dooley as our coach to begin with, and I see the exact same attitudes that caused the current problem happening all over again.

Let's rush into another half-assed coaching change!  Yay!

To be clear, I think he'll get to finish out the season, even if they make the announcement sooner.  That's what I meant.  And to be frank, I'm not even going to argue whether or not he should be fired anymore, because I strongly believe that that ship has sailed.  He's gone.  It's done.  Maybe it's not official yet, maybe Dooley doesn't even know it yet.  But it's done.  So if anyone wants to make the case that he should stay another year, I won't even respond anymore.  Now if you want to argue over who we'll get to replace him, you might be surprised to learn that I have some fairly strong opinions on that. :dance:

Bandit is going to argue about it until he's blue in the face. Hell, 4 years after Fulmer was canned, he's still arguing that the move was forced by an impatient fan base in spite of the facts at hand.

There were plenty of people...many of them on this very board, that said that Fulmer's season in 2007 was unacceptable because we lost by large margins to Florida and Alabama and "backed in" to the SECCG, which of course was untrue, we WON our way into it.  Those same people complained bitterly when we lost to a  highly favored LSU team, who were, you know the NATIONAL CHAMPIONS, in spite of us almost beating them.

If you want, I can go below and find plenty of threads.

This set up the situation in 2008, where no matter what Fulmer did, he was going to get blasted.  There was no way we were going to be as good as 2007 with Ainge gone.  The expectations for 2008 were ridiculous.  But even so, Fulmer barely lost to UCLA and Auburn.  Had he beat those two teams, he would have had another shot in 2009 (no way does he lose to Wyoming without gettning fired).

Time to move on I know.  But in the meantime, I hope those yelling loudly for him to leave even in early 2007, before he beat uga, have enjoyed the last three years, because they deserve EVERY fizzleING BIT OF IT.

Peace out, done with this thread.

Hart needs to go ahead and fire His incompetant ass!

"the empty seats at the bama game are what forced Hamilton's hand".

That's a quote quite recently on this very board.

And now...I really am done.   :dance:

That doesn't come close to proving your statement that Fulmer got run off because of fickle fans. He saved his job making the SECCG and lost it in 2008 by losing.

It was time for him to go. I'd suggest moving on. It was 4 years ago.

And we all know you're not done with the thread.

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FeelsLike98 sure seems to think it's a done deal

I'm good if it's a done deal. That having been said you don't turn your coaches into lame duck recruiters for six weeks by firing him now. Wait until after the season. I know the masses want blood, but the masses usually want something stupid.  :smile:

Perhaps unless you've got something really good in the works.

I guess you would have to keep Dooley around until the end of the Season. Which Member of this Coaching staff would You want as interim Coach? :hurl:

Maybe, but if a change is needed and made after this year, I don't thing it will be a unifying hire. That doesn't mean you don't make it, just saying everyone has a different solution in their head.

Yep, and Bandit disagrees with every one of them.   :bowrofl:

See the pistol and my earlier posts

That being said, the rumour train is running at full throttle.  No matter what eventually happens, it will be a death by a 1,000 cuts.

The 1,000 cuts statement is very accurate. All the while, we get ready to play our 5th Top 20 team on the road with the other 4 that we have already played having a combined 27-1 record. And while we are at it, we need to also convince Derrick Green, Marquez North, Von Bell and others to come to Knox County. Tough situation.

http://www.youtube.com/v/cqkI691dxNg&feature=related

UNLESS the new hire can begin recruiting immediately, which I think the NCAA would prohibit were he not on staff, the team will be better off with an annoucement after the season.

Fans want a move now, but I'm not clear how that improves the big picture.

A FeelsLike98 poster is my source... he has posted on other sites at various times and while I wouldn't say that he's always right, he is definitely not a troll.

Looks like an announcement may come this week or next

I don't even care.

No I don't.   :biggrin:

I've seen rumblings of this today, but nothing from anything I consider trustworthy. Where are you hearing it?

Rumblings, like you say, same feel to it, not really concrete. Which is why I used the word "may"

Got it.

Gruden is the man they are going after. Have been since after Florida. Dooley has already been told. The story has been leaking since last week. This week the flood gates have opened up. The AD is painting a picture before the announcement is made. Joining the T-club was the best thing I've ever done.

Also you are beginning to hear Saban to the Browns talk, a few down here are starting to get worried.

Anything to make the bammers quake in their shoes is good. But if that does happen, then there will be an almost unprecedented list of upper tier SEC schools looking for coaches: Tennessee, Auburn, Arkansas, Alabama....wow.  That will certainly make for an interesting off season.

Please.

This has been talked about on the radio here but I think it was more of a ".Haslam will try to ruin bammer" thing than anything concrete.  But I did hear Saban said he will not be the next coach of the Browns....so.... :loco:

You might be able to add Georgia to that list if they lose to Florida (especially if they get blown out) and continue to play poorly (beat terrible teams by 5 points) the rest of the year.

When you hear Saban say he will not be the next coach of the Browns, he will be.

And out of the SEC, you can almost certainly add Texas to the list.  If I were bammer, I would be more worried about them than Cleveland.  UF may want to keep an eye on them, too.

Saban is not going NFL. He hated it. Not enough control.

Now if TX comes calling, I think he'd consider it. I don't think he has much left to prove at Bama, and he has a large ego.

I agreed with your first part until I heard that Haslam might want to make him President of the Browns as well, or something like that.

I hadn't heard that. That might be enough control, and it would certainly feed his ego

I don't know why he would leave bama for any other school....he currently has it about as well as he could imagine.  If Tejas offers more money, the mouth-breathing crimson hordes will take out an equity loan on their many trailers and counter it.

Plus, Tejas might not be as willing to look the other way on the massive cheating that bammer is almost certainly doing.   :naughty:

They would look the other way if Texass was 11-1 every season

It's not about what Tejas would do so much as are they really crazier than the bammers?  Is anyone?  You have to kind of live in the state to know just ....HOW....crazy they is.   :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

have the same agent....Sexton?  that is about the only way anything can be done quietly.

I’m not gon’ choke from the smoke :naughty:

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I strongly disagree.  For someone like satan, he is not driven by money.  He has all the money he could ever need/want.  However, he does have a huge ego.  If he wins another championship at Bama, what is there left for him to achieve there?  Would his ego drive him to try and duplicate that at a huge place like Texas or would he want to try the NFL again and see if he can be successful there instead of the failure that he was????

Trust me - from someone who follows Alabama anything religously - Saban has had his fill of the NFL (Browns, Dolphins) - and he's said ad nauseum that he does not want to coach well into his 70's like Bowden or Paterno.  IE - at his age, he doesn't have enough time to turn another program around and enjoy the fruit of that success - and - from where he is at Alabama, every other NCAA job would be a step down - he's built an empire and simply reloads now - he's not leaving that for Texas, or Cleveland, or any other job.

Nick would if Texas big money Men showed up and offered Him 5-6 million dollars

Unless your name is Saban you have no more of an idea what he will do than anyone else. All you know for sure is that you don't want him to leave. He may, he may not......time will tell. After the success he has had there he is one 9-3 season from getting a brick through his window too. 

IV - come on now .... Bama fans are long suffering.  I mean, good grief, we gave Mike Shula four years and he didn't beat Auburn once.  Gave Bill Curry the same as well, and neither did he beat Auburn.  You guys have the Uhaul loaded up for Dooley already after 2 1/2 seasons  :smile:

In my opinion, no, not at all.  But face it, neither one of us is actually in his head or knows what he's thinking. 

When I first heard the Texas idea I thought it was credible, but then I thought about it some more.

He left a higher paying job with Miami to come to bammer.  I looked it up.  He took a pay cut. If he really wanted a challenge, he would have stayed in the NFL.   A big part of success is identifying challenges that you can succeed at and not biting off more than you can chew.

Of course, Texas is another place he can succeed, but why start over?  IMO it would not prove anything.  He's already got championships at two different schools.

FWIW, I would be very happy to be wrong.   At the same time, wishing for an opposing coach to leave is far less satisfying than beating his ass down the road somewhere.

It doesn't take us as long to figure things out.

LOL!  Well, I have a brick that hasn't been used in about half a decade that I can ship to you if you need it  :thumbup:

Half a decade?  Don't you mean two decades?

Bammers and math.   :biggrin:

No .... I said that I haven't used  :eek:

Man, Vols and symatics ....  :dielaughing:

It was Curry that had the brick thrown in his window.  So you are saying it was used in 2007?  Is there another incident I forgot?   :confused:

I guess He threw the brick when Alabama lost to Utah in the Sugar Bowl

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LOL - its tough being facetious on this board  :cool:

No, there has only been one brick to my knowledge thrown through a coach's window, and that was in 1989.  After we lost to Auburn for a fourth time and the Independence Bowl to OSU in 2006 however, I was ready to heave the second .......

Since then, its just been gathering dust and dead bugs .... can clean off and ship northward if needed  :laugh:

Oh I see.  Hey, that's a collector's item. Put it on ebay.   :laugh:

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Since then, its just been gathering dust and dead bugs .... can clean off and ship northward if needed  :laugh:
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IT, I have a questionaire for you if you are still lurking.  I am going to suggest to you, that you will be needing that brick, and do not need to ship it to me.

So let's see what your response is.

IvoryTusk, you will be needing that brick again because:

(a) Nick Saban is going to go to the NFL
(b) Nick Saban is going to go to U Texas
(c) Tennessee is going to get a new coach and kick Saban's ass
(d) None of the above, the real answer is _______

(feel free to say you won't ever need to ship it as part of d.  That is an acceptable answer.  Just not the right one).

We'll see if you want to play, and if so, I will then supply my answer.

If you don't in a couple days, I will answer anyway.

Looking forward to your answer!  Mine is a really good one, I promise.

BTW, what does VVB stand for?  Vinnie Versus Bandit? :laugh:

Please let the answer be no.  I don't know if I could hold it together.

Saban to Texas makes a mountain of sense. Saban could turn that, powerhouse waiting on a coach, around in no time with ease. Then he doesn't have to face the SEC week in and week out, and he won't have to leave Texas to find all the 5 star players he can handle. Heck, you can't even spit out there without hitting a 4 or 5 star player. And.......they have all the money in the world in Texas just gathering dust for a coach named Saban. Saban would be a fool not to take it if offered.....IMHO. Plus, and this is the best reason of all......it would PO the bammer crazies like nothing else in the world. Remember how they hated coach Fran?

This thread is now tied for the 2nd most replies in the board history :wow:

Well, in that case maybe we could push it, "One toke over the line"! :run:

Here ya go!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye3ecDYxOkg     :eek: :laugh:

Wow, If I didn't see it with my own eyes, I wouldn't have believed it! On Lawrence Welk no less, what's the world coming to? Ya think ole Lawrence knew what they were singing about? I gotta think he didn't. Cracked me up though-good job! :dielaughing: 

I think everyone but Lawrence knew what the meaning of that song was(Myron Floren was about to crack up announcing the song). :rotfl:

No it's better than that.  Keep guessing.  But now it's stuck at 1.  :biggrin:

Bandit - Yea, I'll play.  None of the above.  Saban will retire from the University of Alabama.

A) He's been the NFL route.  Coaches like him and Spurrier are not cut out for the business of the NFL.  Saban took a pay cut to come to Alabama, not to rebuild a dynasty - but to "coach" young impressionable men, make leaders out of them, get them to play to a standard, etc - that's what makes him tick.  The NFL is about ego and paychecks.  His coaching style didn't fit either time, and he won't go that route again.

B) Texas would be a step down.  They play in a lousy conference, and right now, Alabama is the most prestigious gig in college football.  We've won two of the last three national titles - he's got pages and pages of blue chip recruits who want to play at Alabama - he can choose, more than recruit.  Why would he start over again at Texas?  Yea, they have big money men ........ so do we ...... and frankly, its not about the money in the first place.

C) I wish Tennessee all the best and I hope that you land Gruden, or some other high profile coach.  Frankly, UT isn't the kind of program that should be posting sub .500 records.  UT, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Florida - are all synonymous with deep, rich, winning football tradition.  I hope you guys get back to that threshold soon.  And FWIW - that is a sincere comment, not thinly veiled smack.  Hiring Gruden doesn't intimidate me in the least as a Bama fan - I hope you get him, and I hope he turns UT around into a 10+ win per year program in short order.

D) Saban has his cake and can eat it too right where he is.  There have been reasons in the past for leaving Toledo, Cleveland, Michigan State, LSU - all of those were moves up.  Leaving Miami was a move BACK to where he wanted to be.  Anything from here would be a step down relative to what he has.  Nope - I see him staying for another 5 yeras and then retiring.

No one cares enough to keep guessing.  That's cute, though. 

Fair enough.  It was the "Vinnie Vol Ban" a (joking) temporary self-imposed ban on replying to your posts.

Didn't realize it was (a) so obvious, and (b), when you change your signature it auto-updates to every single post you've ever made. 

Wow, it was supposed to be multiple choice, but I like the detailed responses.

Since you've been such a good sport, I'll keep it short and sweet.  My answer to D is, be careful, there is IMO a very strong possibility that bammer is cheating at recruiting.  So that's my choice for how Saban leaves bammer.  The evidence will finally be overwhelming.

Now here is the bonus...the last coach to recruit nearly as well as Saban was Carroll, though Saban has somehow done even better than him.  I didn't realize or hadn't thought much, until just recently, about what happened to USCw when Carroll got caught.  USCw had to VACATE THEIR CHAMPIONSHIPS. 

I know you're not going to lose any sleep over any of this, but in the meantime, you might wanna hold on to that brick.   :biggrin:

Smokin in the boys room

How does one "hear" smoke, anyway?   :dance:

Were at the best place around,
But some stupid with a flare gun,
Burned the place to the ground.
Smoke on the water and fire in the sky