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...Bobby Petrino will be hired to replace Dooley, with the timing being used so that the national media will quickly be focused on the SECCG and later coaching hires by other programs.  Hart will lead the way in trying to sell/justify the hire to Vols fans and donors.  Anyone hearing that in the local (or any other) media?

Hang on just a sec...
 
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I'd take BP as Tennessee Coach in a New York minute :thumbup: :clap: :dude: :wow: :wave:

I will name all my future children TRO if this is true*.

*Some conditions may apply.

I've heard Friday or Saturday announcement, but no name

Have not heard.

If it's Petrino, what a disgrace.  I will be sickened.

Same here. If that's the best we can do . . .  :frown:

Dont think it will be but who knows

Well if it's Petrino, the sh!t is going to hit the fan more than once.

A certain large number of Vol supporters are going to be crushed because it's not Gruden. Some will be outraged because of Petrino's personal problems.

And...I had read that Slive had made it clear to all schools that he was discouraging the hiring of Petrino. In fact, I just read today on ESPN that he would not be hired at any SEC school.

This could get interesting.

I would be completely shocked if the hire ends up being Petrino.  I don't believe he is even on the list - short or long. 

FWIW I'd be shocked if we hired Petrino as well, although if not gruden, he'd my second choice. I don't see UT hiring him at all, and it would go against what Hart said in his PC.

Tennessee is looking for a Head Football Coach,not an Archbishop(JMHO) :wave:

I've read rumors that Bobby Petrino is a fallback candidate if Tennessee doesn't have any luck getting the big guys on Their list

Tennessee is looking for someone to represent the university in a positive manner. Do you think Petrino's actions reflected well on Arkansas? I realize that in the minds of many, winning trumps all else, but there are lines to be drawn. If Petrino wants another shot at big boy football he should have to start low and work his way up, proving beyond a doubt that he's learned from his mistakes.

I'm almost certain it won't be Petrino, but stranger things have happened.

I agree.  But, Hart said "We want somebody with integrity," then he basically defined "integrity" in terms of NCAA compliance:

"That is important.  We just had our probation extended as you are well aware, we don't have a margin for error.  We have to have a culture of compliance.  That is the number one priority in our athletics department.  The profile is one that you would expect it to be.  Some of the people we will approach they won't want to engage until their season is over.  Some people have a false sense that we are late, we are not, we are fine, I have done this many times.  People need to take a deep breath. The door is not closing on our opportunities to find the right person."

So, if you beleve in "AD speak"....  :wink:  I still think Hart will avoid Petrino like the plague.  I was just wondring if anyone had heard it, especially in the Knoxville media.

ah, good point....

If they hired an archbishop I'd be pretty sickened too.

I'm just saying the Candidate doesn't have to be as clean and innocent as a Choirboy

No, he doesn't.  But Petrino has lied and acted in a disgraceful manner basically everywhere he's been.   I would be embarrassed if he were named TN's coach.

I don't understand this logic. Why would YOU be embarrassed? You would have nothing to do with hiring him, nor do you condone his behavior (I assume). You would just happen to be a fan of the team he would coach. I don't see why you'd be embarrassed about the personal life of a person you don't even know and didn't hire. He doesn't represent you. Yeah he would represent UT, your alma mater, but only on the football field, and only what he does at UT would matter off the field. What he has done to embarrass himself at Arkansas is on him, and maybe the guy who hired him.

I'm much more embarrassed when Vandy blows us out 41-18, because the team I follow sucks so bad. If he comes to UT and turns the program around, it would be ok with me.

We are not amused.

Same name being tossed around the talk radio shows this am in B'ham for the Auburn Tigers. I would really be surprised if UT goes this route considering the other names that have been linked to the Tennessee job.

With potential probation hanging over Auburn, this may be the only "big name" experienced head coach they can get.

BG

Because all indications are that he's a rotten human being.  I don't want someone like that being a representative of my university, at such a visible position.

:wow:  the man has zero scruples...if you cheat on your wife you are most likely cheating in other areas.  We need a stable personality at the from...not someone worried about what his hoochie mama is doing so he texts her 150 times in an hour. I'd rather keep Dooley than hire Petrino.

If Petrino is the best that UT can get then  I'd take Fulmer back..Seriously! If you think Kiffin and Dooley were bad choices... my God how UT has hit Rock bottom if this is true

I second this post.  I make the motion to vote.

He did guide Arkansas to a BCS Bowl in three seasons

Yeah then what happened?

I understand why someone would want to not hire the guy. One can make many arguments about that. That's not my point. I just don't get the "personal embarrasment". As if any of us would have anything to do with it. If UT hires a guy who has no moral values, that's no personal embarasment to me at all, nor do I personally take any responsibility for it. If a family member does something morally poor, I would be embarrassed. UT's coach? The hell with that.

Wrecked on a motorcycle riding with His Mistress

Ok...I get that. But why would that be a personal embarrasment for you? Why would you take that on? Is he related to you? Would you have a say in hiring him? Would you loan him a motorcycle to ride around town with coeds in?

No...his mistress' fiance beat the shizzle out of him and they staged a motorcycle wreck. We don't need that on The Hill...we need some stability and integrity.

Because as a UT fan that bleeds orange I would not want that scum bag as head coach of UT..PERIOD!

Just let it go...why do you care if we might be ashamed of his behavior?

I guess I just take it more personally than you do.

And Paterno had a crapload of success at Penn State.

Let it go? It's a message board. I asked a question. I care because I am interested in what he has to say. We throw that phrase "I am shamed", "I am embarrassed" around a lot, without really thinking about it. Why would you be ashamed or embarrassed about a decision that you have no say in, or in fact, opposed?

Fair enough. Thanks for answering the question. I take it more personally when the program sucks, I have a lot invested in the program, thirty years to be exact. Many others have more years.  I root for the program, I am a fan of the program. To me coaches come and go, they are paid to do a job - I don't root for a coach, nor do I take it personally whom they hire. Just want a guy who can win.

LOL. Hoochie Mama, love it! :dielaughing:

Nope, not heard that one anywhere.

Yeah we all know about that..I was being sarcastic..It's not just about him at Arky.. I've never liked the guy even before all of that..like when he left Auburn as OC to be the head coach at Louisville then one yr later secretly met with Auburn for the job there when they hadn't said if they would retain Tubberville who had mentored and gave Petrino the OC job there just a few yrs earlier...He secretly tried to go behind his "friends" back and tried to steal his job out from under him after only being at Louisville for one year ..then what he did at Arky just proves he has no morals.. :thumbdown:

Because we hold him to a high standard and don't want to win at any cost. You may be able ti look in the other direction at his behavior but I cannot. Let me ask you...why is it acceptable to you to have a man with no morals coach young men?  Why would you ignore that behavior pattern?

Really? So...if you were a Penn State fan you would condone that whole cover up.... :confused:

I just don't think the two qualities (winning vs. morals) need to be mutually exclusive.  I would want Hart to look for integrity and winning as he's considering candidates.  Integrity is very important to me.  Petrino has displayed a pattern of lack of integrity, and the whole sporting world knows it.  If we hired him, to me, we're telling the world "yeah, we know he's a snake.  We don't care about his lack of integrity.  ALL we care about is winning, and we don't care what it takes to get there"  and that is why I would be embarrassed.  Yeah, at the end of the day it's all about winning and I want to win just as bad as you.  But I'm not willing to, as a fan, go as far as to say I want to put the program in the hands of a rotten individual like Petrino.  Like Lyn said, a liar is a liar.  If a guy lies in one area, he's going to lie in another.  He's going to lie to recruits, he's going to lie to all of us.  I don't know about you, but that bothers me.  Look, I'm going to support the coach no matter who it ends up being.  It would be embarrassing to support a guy like Petrino.  Just like I'm now embarrassed to say I supported Kiffin.  It's embarrassing to have to say "yeah, I know he's a jerk.  I know he's a liar and I know he would cut my very throat if it benefited him.. but he's my coach!!!"  If that's not embarrassing to you, that's fine.  Neither one of us are right or wrong, peoples' sensibilities are just different.

I obviously don't know any major booster, but surely the boosters care enough about UT and it's image to know better.

That's like if David Cutcliff,after leaving for Duke for a year and before UT decided to let go of Fulmer,if he had secretly met to try to get Fulmers job behind Duke's back..then the whole Arky thing...Petrino is a dirt bag that has no morals and only cares about himself.. UT has had enough problems with Kiffin and Pearl..they don't need another headache

Yeah, I don't think Petrino's actions are in any way comparable to what transpired at PSU. Here's an analogy I heard. If you're choosing a heart surgeon do you select one based on his morals? I wouldn't even though I'd hope he (and everyone) has high character. I want a guy who is really stinking good at cutting around the heart.

When it comes to a football coach I select a coach like I would a heart surgeon.

And so what if they hire him and he has a good year..do you really think that he's gonna stay for the long haul? He's proven he will jump ship in the middle of the night or try to the very second he thinks something else will come along..IMO he is clearly not the answer for UT

He has shown a pattern of behavior that involves lies, deceit and a cover up. What's to say that pattern will stop? 'Nut said he does not get embarrassed by a coach's behavior so the Penn State question is valid.

So...you are ok with your heart surgeon leaving the OR to make sure his young squeeze isn't spending time with her young boyfriend?

I guess in my mind, our coach represents the University. Because of that, we identify with him. I would be embarrassed also if he pulled those antics while he was wearing our colors and leading our team.

Not in favor of Petrino, but also not a guy that follows or wants what's best for a coach.  I am for the program, first and always, and could actually care less who the coach is so long as he wins and is honest.  Those two are hard to match IMO, but it can be done.

That's all well and good, but what about the lives of all the kids on the team and the recruits that we so desperately want to come represent this University?  What happens when they invest their lives and that of the family to come play here, and they invest emotionally in the bill of goods that Petrino is selling?  What happens to those young men when Petrino lies again and does his deeds in the dark of night and it all unravels?  So if we get a few winning seasons out of the deal, it's worth it right?  If we get several 5 star kids to believe Petrino's lies and come here, and rather than sit out a year and transfer they're just stuck playing for us after Petrino is gone.. that's ok right?

That's not ok with me.

Amen!!!

According to the talking heads on ESPN right now, if Petrino were offered the Auburn job, he would have to understand that this was his last chance and he would have to commit to staying there.

Whether or not he could do it, that's another story.

While I am not confident about who it is...I am pretty confident that it is not Petrino.  If it is then  :dunno:

I hope he does go there,that's exactly where he needs to be...they are already in it deep with the NCAA :naughty:

Good luck to him at Auburn  :toothless:  I will be more than happy for him to coach there.

My top choices are Strong or Patterson...either one.  But I can settle for Gruden.   :biggrin:

I assume that would be an understanding almost anywhere he would be hired.  Hopefully the UTAD will just avoid the whole issue and get someone better.  :biggrin:

Yep, they deserve each other.  The only thing that would make it more fitting is if he retains Trooper.

LOL. You're reading what u want to read if you read that in my posts.

Because it's not my business. I wouldn't let him coach my son if I had one. Then it would be my business. I tend to mind my own business and I tend to not think anyone cares what I find "acceptable" or not.

You're making good cases not to hire him, which anyone can make. The difference again, is that you take it personally and I don't. That's fine.

No, you have said a coach's behavior doesn't embarrass you and you seem ok with Petrino's behavior and cover up...or his attempt to cover it up. Other than the severity of the actions in question I see no difference. Are you saying you put a limit on the bad behavior you would overlook?  

I suppose I don't really think anyone cares what is ok with me or not. I doubt people place much value in what I find ok when I have zero stake in it personally.

Iris, I wouldn't be embarrassed at all.  The University would be, those that hired him would be. I just don't see it as if a coach embarrasses himself, then every fan of that program he coaches should be embarrassed. Not at all. I don't think Arkansas fans should be embarrassed for what he did at all.

FWIW, Ross Perot would fire anyone caught at adultery from his company.  His theory was that if you cheated on your wife, sooner or later you would cheat on his business.

So if you want a non-personal, business reason to reject Petrino there is one right there. 

I really would not want the negative PR that Petrino would bring but at the end of the day I also think Perot had a point.

Auburn is likely where he goes. They could get hammered by the NCAA soon

I'm not Volznut, but condoning the behavior ("condone that whole cover up") is different than being personally embarrassed by the hiring of someone who had that behavior in the past.  Nut might not condone something and also not be personally embarrassed by it.

1) I don't think he's coming. That being the case we should get Patterson.

2) If we hire Petrino I don't worry about him leaving. Here's why. If other teams want to hire him away that's great. It means he's killing it. I want a coach other teams want to have. Quite frankly UT needs to remind people how big you can win here. Petrino would do that.

Nothing in Petrino's college coaching history says he does things in an abnormal fashion. He left Louisville after being there several years for a better job. He didn't like the Falcons so he left for a position in Fayetteville where he would be finishing year #5 were it not for the incident. That's not the resume of a crazed job hopper.

I think Derek Dooley is a good guy, BUT chances are he would spend less time with recruits in their college careers than Petrino would. He is a good man, but just spent three years here.

I'm not saying that I want him as the coach as I have issues with him leaving other places and the manner in which he left. But his personal problems, while disturbing, wouldn't rule him out for me. He had an affair and tried to cover it up. Not exactly a great character recommendation but not a deal breaker for me in the absence of other factors.

Our last coach was a man of impeccable character and morals (as far as we know). How did that work out?

Fair enough...but to me the two are hard to separate so I prefer we steer clear of anyone with such issues. Maybe if it was "just an affair" it could be overlooked but he hired her and then tried to cover the whole thing up not to mention his history before he came.  When you make a blanket statement like "I want to win I don't care what his personal life is like" you open yourself up to questions.

No. I said a coach's behavior says nothing about me, so why should I be embarrassed? It says nothing about the fans, so why would they be? I never said I was ok with his behavior or cover up. You're putting words in my fingers. We look at it differently. To me his behavior or cover up has nothing to do with me, so it's irrelevant whether I am ok or not.

On a macro scale, Who the hell am I to overlook or say anything is ok? Am I his judge? His mother? His morals will lead to his undoing, through cause and effect. Or maybe it won't. Not my business. If he screws up our football team then I am not ok with it, because then he is screwing up with an investment of mine - an investment in time, money, etc. Now, there is certainly an element of trust that goes with that and that's why it's easy to make a business decision to not hire him.


A business decision....not a MORAL one.

That's his personal business. he can do as he likes.

No but that doesn't mean we need to hire him...that is what is embarrassing...knowing GQ is a dirt bag but bringing him on board...slapping him on the back and welcoming him as a Vol. No how...no way.

He basically violated University policy, which is why he was fired. There are plenty of business decisions to not hire him. However, knowing the business of college football, and how winning seems to be everything, there are also sound reasons to hire him.

Here's a more succinct view of my take.

The new coach has to
1) Be really good at the coaching football thing
2) Stay clear of the NCAA

I'd like the coach to
1) Be a really good man

This may be bad, but I probably have drastically different views of right and wrong from a number of individuals at UT. If the new football coach is another one that doesn't change my life much. I'd love for us to get Tony Dungy, but that's not happening and Gene Stallings isn't coming out of retirement.

SMH...y'all are a bunch of morally bankrupt heathens!  :angel: :kiss2:

what can we do Lyn, Mother Teresa ain't walking through that door.  :laugh:

Lyn, I think that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said about me.  :smile: It should be noted I was castigated by my family over Thanksgiving for espousing Petrino. They were not as charitable as you.

My Dad hates Bob Petrino also. He hates Him for leaving the Falcons high and dry in the middle of the 2007 season

I love to hear the people that say, it was only an affair and he doesn't have to be a choir boy.  However, what some of you fail to realize that not only was it an affair, he broke STATE LAW by hiring the girl.  Not only that, but he violated the affirmative action policy in place.  He opened Arkansas to alot of federal law suits.  Do you want that for UT?  Besides the affair, he has proven he will lie and cheat and only cares about himself and no one else. 

Now let's talk X's and O's.  Does the guy score alot of point, sure.  However, he has never put a great defense on the field.  You do understand that points puts butts in the seats, but defense wins championships?  Look at what his "great" teams did when they faced a team with a defense.  He lost to Bama and LSU EVERY TIME...and it wasn't even close.  So are you prepared to lose to Bama and UF every year from here on out....I sure am not!

There is no way I believe our next coach is that scumbag.  Not only does it go against everything Hart said we needed as a head coach, but I truly believe he has been black balled in the SEC due to his behavior. 

In addition to the above, he need to be able to recruit. That means, walking into a living room and convincing a mother/father that he will be a father figure for their son while he is in Knoxville. As a parent, I would have a few questions if he came in to recruit my son.

In 2010 he beat LSU and lost to Bama by 4. Those were in his third year. He did lose to LSU last year and in his second year (by 3), but beat the Tigers in his first season.

It's probably also worth noting he fired his DC after last season so he was aware of the need to upgrade defense.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/arkansas/yearly_results.php?year=2010 (http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_ia/sec/arkansas/yearly_results.php?year=2010)

Are you trying to prepare us for Jackie Sherrill?

Let the castration begin

Well, he lied about sneaking around interviewing for the job once before ... :rolleyes:

And that's why I'm not in favor of hiring him. I think he's shady professionally.

I've read rumors that BP has been blackballed-banned in the sec before(It was brought up on the Catspause message board).

He is obviously a smart coach(unlike the one we just fired), I have not too much problem with his affair(personal life, not my buisness.....between him and the wife), the issue to me is trying to cover up and about the accident, and they way he has left Louisville and Atlanta............................................................
Too many people make way to big of a deal about PEOPLES personal lives.......................................I am not making excuses, just not my buisness......................could give less than 2 shizzles about who he is having sex with..........................................JMHO

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Again, it has nothing to do with the affair.  he didn't get fired because of that.  He got fired because he lied to his boss, broke state law by hiring the woman, and broke the affirmative action policy, not to mention opening Arkansas to federal lawsuits.

Nut, you know I enjoy your posts and have said so many times. I think philisophically we are on the same page. Where I think some people are differing with you is their emotional devotion to this team and the sense of "respect" it sould have. Personally, I don't want to see Petrino at UT. I think the university can find a coach that will lead the team to victory who doesn't carry Petrino's baggage. This is the Bible Belt and his stuff won't go over well here. It's just not a good fit for the university, I don't think.

You have solid logic, but it is more than that to many fans. Not only do they want to win, they want to do it and have the university respected. I'm old-school, was around when the Bear was a drunkard and accepted but those days have gone by to a new generation, or so it seems.

I haven't read the board past this post and you may have addressed. No big deal; but, I do see your point as far as getting a successful coach to lead the team being first and foremost. But, as someone who grew up in small-town Tennesse - his crap ani't gonna fly well with the locals. And you can't alienate the women cuz they are now more than 50% of the population (and many control the wallet now-adays).

Just my thoughts and not argumentative.


G    :powert:

I have emotional ties to the team. Not the coach. I know what you are saying, and that's why I know we won't hire Petrino. I have said that before as well. I also agree that Petrino would have problems recruiting, and that is a solid business reason to not hire him. As for growing up in small town Tenn, I grew up in Morristown, so I am fully aware of your points!  :dcool:

This is now the #2 topic (in replies) ever on the board, nice work TRO! :dude:

First this post, then a post indicating, "Hearing chatter about a presser on Friday at 3:00pm," then the official announcement that Gruden has withdrawn his name from consideration for the Tennessee job: http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2012/nov/27/gruden-withdraws-from-ut-coaching-search (http://www.volstothewall.net/vttw/biteme.gif).  It's all adding up to the hiring of Bobby Petrino.  :eek:

 :dielaughing: LOL!!!

You are a cruel man.  :laugh:

No, he is a CRUEL, CRUEL, CRUEL man :beer:

 :clap: :dielaughing:

Omg, dude.   :rant:

I think he wanted to extend this thread and make it the #1 post in replies. And with 2 more, it will be.  :biggrin:

No way!  I was very sincere in both the original post and all of my follow-up posts.  That link?  Well,...........I must have been scammed or something.   :dance:

I'll take you at your word.

And that's it! #1  (http://home.mindspring.com/~wbalford/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/fireworks2.gif)

Woohoo!   :clap:

Perhaps John Adams was just spouting off, but perhaps he actually knew something, even way back in May:

http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2012/may/28/bobby-petrino-still-may-be-a-Vol (http://www.govolsxtra.com/news/2012/may/28/bobby-petrino-still-has-an-sec-presence/)

:wink:

There still some life left, eh?

If you see the UTAD spring for one of these....  :naughty:

(http://www.thetoque.com/images/stories/motorcycle_training_wheels.jpg)

I know there are a lot of Vols fans who don't like Petrino and don't want him as the next head football coach, but where there's smoke from a charred motorcycle and burned relationship, there's....   :wink:

QUACK

A sexual harrassment suit?

Well, it's well into Friday afternoon, and nothing.  I guess I was misled.  On to another source!  :wink:

Be-the-Vol is not a good source - figured you would have figured that out by now ... :nono: