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Blew a 17 point lead to lose. Been 33 years since the LVs have lost 3 games in a row.

Pat lost 22 SEC games in her final 16 seasons.

Holly has lost 22 SEC games in her last 3 seasons.

And four of Pat's 22 came in her final season- and we all know she wasn't doing any REAL coaching that year. Who stood in for her again? I can't recall... :inughout:

If we had moved on Holly 2-3 years ago like we should have done, we could have hired almost anyone we wanted. Now, I'm not so sure. Our stature in that sport has fallen off a cliff.

Fulmer ain't got the balls to fire her. Why is he the AD again?

Here's the thing: among the hardcore LVs fanbase, i.e. those who buy season tickets every year and financially support the program, I think there's little, if ANY demand for a change. As long as Pat's chosen successor is in charge, they're more than happy to watch her steer the Titanic into an iceberg. Moreover, I think a lot of them would revolt if Fulmer were to make a move.

There is...we'll call it an "element" in that fanbase that sees mens' sports not just as something to be ignored, but outright resents any success for any men's program. I don't know if they see them as a threat to the women or what, but they're out there, and have been for decades. I've seen it firsthand. In early '99, I attended the LV's vs. Louisiana Tech game at TBA. Phil Fulmer was there, sitting in the front row. When he was recognized during a timeout, a large portion of the crowd booed him. Now mind you, this man had just won a National Title a couple weeks earlier. And those people hated him for it. That was the last time I attended a LVs game at TBA. I still pull for them from afar, but I don't want to be a part of that toxic environment.

So yeah, I think even if Fulmer WANTED to make a move on Holly, I don't think he could politically pull it off.

To try and fix football, that's why.

You make very good points and I agree. But I've been told that more of the 'Old Guard' have started to turn on her now.

I know from the outside looking in, it seemed to many like having separate ADs was wasteful and inefficient. But given the dynamic I described, it may have been for the best. If Joan Cronan were to fire Holly right now, I think there would be a lot less pushback than if Fulmer were to do so.

He's the one who started the downward slide. His lazy-assed last year of coaching that is. Then after he was fired he was a divisive figure to the athletic department just because of his butthurt for his firing. What coach after him was he ever truly behind or supportive of?

Boy, you are just full of shizzle

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What? Truthful and realistic.

I guess I am a little too negative on coaches. But I have to be to offset all the folks that kiss their butts whether they are doing a good job or not.  Kinda like those Butch Jones apologists that I riled against from the get-go. These guys are making big money and since Fulmer left name one that has earned it? Hopefully Pruitt is hiring smarter guys than him and he will do well.