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« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2016, 05:16:44 EST »

I thought LSU handled the firing of Les Miles poorly, but Texas is setting a new standard in the hiring and firing of Charlies Strong. Texas could not find a high profile elite coach to take the job so the administration hired Strong without input from the Big Money boosters. Big Money just could not believe that coaches were not beating on the door to come to Texas. But they were not so Strong got the job. If you believe sports sources, Strong did not stroke the egos on Big Money and pal around with them. He also angered some by getting rid of troublemakers and kids that just had marginal skills. A head coach is only as good as the assistants and Strong hired poorly.

Now Big Money has demanded Strong be fired and Hermann from Houston be hired. School president and the AD know they will get fired if they do not because they picked Strong 3 years ago and it was an abysmal failure. As bad a coach as Mack Brown was in his last years, he looks like a freaking genius compared to Strong. $30 million for 3 years (5 if you count pay out) will ease the pain a lot and I do not see Strong out of a job for too long.

So Texas will hire Hermann if he wants the job because Big Money will pony up the coin. They may not like it at first because the discipline and attention to detail Hermann requires may run off some current players or cause some that may have disliked Strong to play harder. One thing for sure; Texas will score points.
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« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2016, 06:49:26 EST »

I thought LSU handled the firing of Les Miles poorly, but Texas is setting a new standard in the hiring and firing of Charlies Strong. Texas could not find a high profile elite coach to take the job so the administration hired Strong without input from the Big Money boosters.

Back up...Strong was the hottest name in coaching, period, dot.

That he didn't pan out...see under Muschamp.  (who we have yet to beat...ouch )
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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2016, 10:01:52 EST »

According to a lot of Texas papers and sports reporters, Texas did not even get a sniff from their main high profile picks. Not a sniff. Every major coach asked, said no thanks I like my current job. So the University President and AD made the decision to hire Strong on their own without consulting major donors. I am not saying Strong was not the flavor of the month coaching pick. Yes he was hot pick at the time. But he was not the top pick or favored candidate by Big Money donors at Texas. They could not believe Saban turned them down. If you believe reports, there was a lot of dissension among the donors and university when Strong was hired because he was black. Strong did not or could not stroke the egos and hob-knob with the donors like Mack Brown. He just had an impossible job to do because he had a bunch of malcontents and players with bad attitudes that he kicked off the team.

So his failure is partly his own doing, but largely on Big Money donors that were never going to accept Strong and did everything to undermine the University administrators that hired him. The alumni just had no clue how bad the talent level Mack recruited had dropped off. If he could not win the Big12 and contend for Final 4 by now, Big Money wanted him gone.
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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2016, 11:25:33 EST »

According to a lot of Texas papers and sports reporters, Texas did not even get a sniff from their main high profile picks. Not a sniff. Every major coach asked, said no thanks I like my current job. So the University President and AD made the decision to hire Strong on their own without consulting major donors. I am not saying Strong was not the flavor of the month coaching pick. Yes he was hot pick at the time. But he was not the top pick or favored candidate by Big Money donors at Texas. They could not believe Saban turned them down. If you believe reports, there was a lot of dissension among the donors and university when Strong was hired because he was black. Strong did not or could not stroke the egos and hob-knob with the donors like Mack Brown. He just had an impossible job to do because he had a bunch of malcontents and players with bad attitudes that he kicked off the team.

So his failure is partly his own doing, but largely on Big Money donors that were never going to accept Strong and did everything to undermine the University administrators that hired him. The alumni just had no clue how bad the talent level Mack recruited had dropped off. If he could not win the Big12 and contend for Final 4 by now, Big Money wanted him gone.

I've heard similar and it all sounds credible, but I think you should substitute "saban" for "high profile coach" because from what I have heard, he is the only one they went after.  Given that Strong was by far the hottest candidate of "up and coming" coaches in the year he was hired, I am not sure how many "high profile" coaches there were other than saban.  Maybe Meyer and Fisher, and that's about it.  The guy at Stanford was probably on the same level as Strong, but was West Coast and Texas likely wanted someone familiar the South.

I never thought saban would go, and if the Texas big money thought he would, they ain't too bright.  Or they don't live in bammer and follow the SEC, I guess.

There are two reasons saban won't leave bammer for texas.  One, his wife is said to really like Tuscaloosa (believe it or not), and two (IMO) he won't be able to cheat at recruiting as much at Texas.  I think their board worries more about appearance than bammers.

You can throw in that Texas is at best a paralell move, and he already has proven himself at bammer.

saban will only retire or try the NFL again from bammer IMO, and the NFL is probably unlikely.

Having said that, maybe he will surprise us all and go to Texas this year.  But I doubt it.  He stumbled on to the perfect combination of tradition and corruption at bammer.  He was nowhere near this good at LSU, and any move to Texas or wherever is almost certainly going to be a worse situation. 
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« Reply #29 on: November 24, 2016, 04:43:32 EST »

I've heard similar and it all sounds credible, but I think you should substitute "saban" for "high profile coach" because from what I have heard, he is the only one they went after.  Given that Strong was by far the hottest candidate of "up and coming" coaches in the year he was hired, I am not sure how many "high profile" coaches there were other than saban.  Maybe Meyer and Fisher, and that's about it.  The guy at Stanford was probably on the same level as Strong, but was West Coast and Texas likely wanted someone familiar the South.

I never thought saban would go, and if the Texas big money thought he would, they ain't too bright.  Or they don't live in bammer and follow the SEC, I guess.

There are two reasons saban won't leave bammer for texas.  One, his wife is said to really like Tuscaloosa (believe it or not), and two (IMO) he won't be able to cheat at recruiting as much at Texas.  I think their board worries more about appearance than bammers.

You can throw in that Texas is at best a paralell move, and he already has proven himself at bammer.

saban will only retire or try the NFL again from bammer IMO, and the NFL is probably unlikely.

Having said that, maybe he will surprise us all and go to Texas this year.  But I doubt it.  He stumbled on to the perfect combination of tradition and corruption at bammer.  He was nowhere near this good at LSU, and any move to Texas or wherever is almost certainly going to be a worse situation. 

Agree 100%....I'll add I don't believe the high dollar oil boosters at Texas would give Saban full power on the level he has at Bama.
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