Our offense did nothing in the second half and our defense was gassed....

[Tnphil]

I know what the numbers say, but I think Butch is still a clear upgrade from Dooley if only because he's restocking the cupboard while Dooley made it worse.

He is a upgrade...Period, Dot.

Until Butch starts winning some big games...wasting the talent he's recruited is...well, a huge waste.

[volsboy]

Just like I have been saying, Jones still needs to prove his x's and o's coaching ability. Seems to me they made better adjustments than we did.

[BanditVol]

True on Dooley......but Dooley was UT's 3rd coach in 2 years and we had some major defections because of it....Got to admit that too. Sure Dooley gets a lot of blame but he had some factors that wasn't in his control either. Was Dooley a bad coach....YES! But he was dealt a $hitty hand too but for some reason people forget that but want to use it loss after loss as an excuse for Butch.

And I'd take the offensive system under Dooley back, right now....today!

Will you also take back Bray, Hunter and Patterson?  Cause any one of those guys would help, although Bray didn't have it mentally IMO.

I will say this for Dooley, he did know how to evaluate and recruit WR talent.  It's just too bad he was so shizzlety at every other position on the team.

I guess that's why he was able to land a position job with the Cowboys.  That, or Jones is just   

 

[Tnphil]

Will you also take back Bray, Hunter and Patterson?  Cause any one of those guys would help, although Bray didn't have it mentally IMO.

I will say this for Dooley, he did know how to evaluate and recruit WR talent.  It's just too bad he was so shizzlety at every other position on the team.

I guess that's why he was able to land a position job with the Cowboys.  That, or Jones is just   

 

As a group we have better WRs now than we did under Dooley.....Why are we so bad now then? Folks want to beat down Dooley (me included) but they give Butch and company a pass. (not me included) Excuses are for losers and we have mastered losing.

[BanditVol]

As a group we have better WRs now than we did under Dooley.....Why are we so bad now then? Folks want to beat down Dooley (me included) but they give Butch and company a pass. (not me included) Excuses are for losers and we have mastered losing.

I have to disagree. Both hunter and Patterson had prospects of being drafted in the first round.  As it was Hunter went in the second round but Patterson was a first rounder.

Which of our current wide receivers has first round draft prospects? I can't think of any.

Having said that I'm not making any excuses. Although I don't think we currently have any wrs on that level (Malone might get there but is not right now) we definitely have some highly ranked recruits. They should be more productive period dot.

[BanditVol]

As a group we have better WRs now than we did under Dooley.....Why are we so bad now then? Folks want to beat down Dooley (me included) but they give Butch and company a pass. (not me included) Excuses are for losers and we have mastered losing.

It's funny that you talk about beating down Dooley because in 2012 I caught a good deal of flak for remaining positive while most fans gave up on the season after the Florida game.

I really wasn't defending Dooley and definitely didn't see him as the coach of the future at ut, I just wanted us to have some success for a chsnge. If our d had been halfway decent that year we would have won 8 or 9 games.

In retrospect it was good to go ahead and get rid of dooley, particularly given the reports that later surfaced about his lack of effort in recruiting

[crockettman]

I know what the numbers say, but I think Butch is still a clear upgrade from Dooley if only because he's restocking the cupboard while Dooley made it worse.

Agreed...It all starts with recruiting..Butch has started to right the ship and we've all had to be patient but what he needs to understand is how starved the Vol Nation is for a quality victory,not just while he's been there but basically since around 2007 and that he needs to take advantage of every opportunity and to use all tools at his disposal and coach to win with a sense of urgency..he and his staff did not do that Saturday night

[TheRealOrange]

Agreed...It all starts with recruiting..Butch has started to right the ship and we've all had to be patient but what he needs to understand is how starved the Vol Nation is for a quality victory,not just while he's been there but basically since around 2007 and that he needs to take advantage of every opportunity and to use all tools at his disposal and coach to win with a sense of urgency..he and his staff did not do that Saturday night

Agree. ^^^^^^^^^^^

[Tnphil]

I have to disagree. Both hunter and Patterson had prospects of being drafted in the first round.  As it was Hunter went in the second round but Patterson was a first rounder.

Which of our current wide receivers has first round draft prospects? I can't think of any.

Having said that I'm not making any excuses. Although I don't think we currently have any wrs on that level (Malone might get there but is not right now) we definitely have some highly ranked recruits. They should be more productive period dot.

How do you know? We aren't using them!!!!....North has NFL talent but can't get him the damn ball. Von Pearson does too....along with Malone. As a whole group this is the best set of WRs we've had at one time in a long time... Under Chaney's system our WRs would flourish right now...today....with a QB with a arm like Bray. We have a Bray arm on the team right now.....Dormady, and he has a brain to go with the arm.

[BanditVol]

How do you know? We aren't using them!!!!....North has NFL talent but can't get him the damn ball. Von Pearson does too....along with Malone. As a whole group this is the best set of WRs we've had at one time in a long time... Under Chaney's system our WRs would flourish right now...today....with a QB with a arm like Bray. We have a Bray arm on the team right now.....Dormady, and he has a brain to go with the arm.

North is supposedly nicked up.  Von Pearson did well in the first game, showed some flashes Saturday, but slipped down.

I did love Chaney as an OC, though many didn't like him.  I wanted us to keep him, but they didn't ask my opinion.   

Dobbs problem is not brains.  He seems to lack accuracy and maybe at times hesitates a bit.   If it's just inaccuracy, maybe that's something that can improve.  The hesitation should be something that improves as time goes by.

Dobbs is an Aerospace major with good grades.  He has it going on upstairs.  Of course, I'm biased on that one.   

[Creek Walker]

I would submit that a big part of Dobbs' problem Saturday is that he's a quarterback who plays best when he's playing on raw instinct and intuition — that's a trait of great scrambling quarterbacks — and his coaches were asking him to play reserved and controlled.

[Tnphil]

North is supposedly nicked up.  Von Pearson did well in the first game, showed some flashes Saturday, but slipped down.

I did love Chaney as an OC, though many didn't like him.  I wanted us to keep him, but they didn't ask my opinion.   

Dobbs problem is not brains.  He seems to lack accuracy and maybe at times hesitates a bit.   If it's just inaccuracy, maybe that's something that can improve.  The hesitation should be something that improves as time goes by.

Dobbs is an Aerospace major with good grades.  He has it going on upstairs.  Of course, I'm biased on that one.   

I was comparing Bray's arm and lack of a brain.....to Dormady's arm with the brains to go with it.

I love Dobbs...pulling for him. But IMO, he doesn't have the arm (accuracy) to win big for us. That's why teams are putting 8-9 in the box...we can't beat anybody deep. Dobbs arm + bad OL=World of hurt.

[Tnphil]

I would submit that a big part of Dobbs' problem Saturday is that he's a quarterback who plays best when he's playing on raw instinct and intuition — that's a trait of great scarambling quarterbacks — and his coaches were asking him to play reserved and controlled.

I would agree 100% with this. Something was wrong with him....more so the 2nd half. If you looked at his facial expressions they weren't good at all. Looked confused....almost like he'd had his bell rung.

He made some terrible reads that were unlike him. Handed the ball off in traffic when he had a lane to keep and run....and ran when there was no lane to do so. Having a new OC can lead to issues.....but it was the look on his face that concerned me. Not in control look.

[BanditVol]

I was comparing Bray's arm and lack of a brain.....\

well we can all agree on that 

I actually was looking at Vols in the NFL, and Bray is still on IR with KC.  Good luck to him....I guess

[PirateVOL]

I would agree 100% with this. Something was wrong with him....more so the 2nd half. If you looked at his facial expressions they weren't good at all. Looked confused....almost like he'd had his bell rung.

He made some terrible reads that were unlike him. Handed the ball off in traffic when he had a lane to keep and run....and ran when there was no lane to do so. Having a new OC can lead to issues.....but it was the look on his face that concerned me. Not in control look.

someone on another board indicated he might have hit a helmet with his throwing hand late in the first half.  If so, might explain the wounded duck he threw before halftime that should have been picked as well as the poor passing in general in the 2nd half.

[BanditVol]

someone on another board indicated he might have hit a helmet with his throwing hand late in the first half.  If so, might explain the wounded duck he threw before halftime that should have been picked as well as the poor passing in general in the 2nd half.

If so, let's hope it was temporary

If it is temporary, that would almost be good news in a way