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« on: September 24, 2017, 11:45:17 EDT »

Trump on Friday stated that he wished NFL owners would rid themselves of players protesting the national anthem.  The NFL has responded today with numerous demonstrations involving pretty much entire teams and Goodell and various owners have fired back and accused Trump of being "divisive".

Side note....I was at the rally in Huntsville AL Friday night when Trump made those comments. And I applauded.

This does not mean I necessarily agree with his comments completely. If I were an owner, I probably would not kick a guy off for protesting, but any owner that does so is, IMO, within his rights.

Anyway,  my point is all the people talking about "divisiveness" today conveniently ignore how divisive the original protests are!

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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2017, 11:48:25 EDT »

You don't do your protesting on the job......Go protest at your job on the clock and see where it gets you.

I hope the NFL crashes and burns.
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2017, 12:01:25 EDT »

I am finished with the NFL. I have not watched a single snap today, and won't. I'm not a Trump fan (far from it) but I watch football for football, not political grandstanding by a bunch of over-paid crybabies who have been so spoiled by their wealth and privilege that they have the audacity to lecture a bunch of blue-collar fans who bust their tails on job sites every day about how "oppressed" the professional athletes are.

The sports media has been becoming increasingly politicized, which has led us to this. I'm mostly pointing at ESPN, but it didn't start with ESPN. If you watch Sunday Night Football on NBC tonight, I'd bet a week's pay that you'll be subjected to a sanctimonious lecture on this subject from Bob Costas at halftime. It is destroying professional sports. It's only a matter of time before it spills over to the college game, then it will wreck that, too. (Right, Missouri?)

The NFL has got major problems. Look at all the empty seats in any given stadium on any given Sunday. This is only going to accelerate those problems. (And Trump's no idiots; he knows the demographics and his remarks were calculated.) I think it was Clay Travis who mentioned the disconnect that's at play here. The professional athletes, owners and media are united in their support for the anthem nonsense, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the majority of fans are incensed by it. That's the part Trump understands. A majority of NFL fans are red-blooded conservatives, and a majority of red-blooded conservatives support Trump. They've been steaming about this ever since Kaepernick first tried his publicity stunt. They wanted a voice, and the opportunistic Trump decided to give them one. It isn't good for the game of football, and it isn't good for America...but the NFL shoulders more blame than anyone else. And all the while, the dishonest national media is fanning the flames.
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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2017, 12:04:15 EDT »

The protests are stupid.  Trump's comments are stupid.   But the First Amendment protects both.  You'd be surprised how many "woke" hipsters on twitter don't realize that.

I responded to one fool last night who was railing on about the 1A shouldn't apply to "hate speech".  I said I'll let you ban hate speech if you let me define it.

Seriously, I weep for our future.
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2017, 12:06:10 EDT »

I am finished with the NFL. I have not watched a single snap today, and won't. I'm not a Trump fan (far from it) but I watch football for football, not political grandstanding by a bunch of over-paid crybabies who have been so spoiled by their wealth and privilege that they have the audacity to lecture a bunch of blue-collar fans who bust their tails on job sites every day about how "oppressed" the professional athletes are.

The sports media has been becoming increasingly politicized, which has led us to this. I'm mostly pointing at ESPN, but it didn't start with ESPN. If you watch Sunday Night Football on NBC tonight, I'd bet a week's pay that you'll be subjected to a sanctimonious lecture on this subject from Bob Costas at halftime. It is destroying professional sports. It's only a matter of time before it spills over to the college game, then it will wreck that, too. (Right, Missouri?)

The NFL has got major problems. Look at all the empty seats in any given stadium on any given Sunday. This is only going to accelerate those problems. (And Trump's no idiots; he knows the demographics and his remarks were calculated.) I think it was Clay Travis who mentioned the disconnect that's at play here. The professional athletes, owners and media are united in their support for the anthem nonsense, seemingly oblivious to the fact that the majority of fans are incensed by it. That's the part Trump understands. A majority of NFL fans are red-blooded conservatives, and a majority of red-blooded conservatives support Trump. They've been steaming about this ever since Kaepernick first tried his publicity stunt. They wanted a voice, and the opportunistic Trump decided to give them one. It isn't good for the game of football, and it isn't good for America...but the NFL shoulders more blame than anyone else. And all the while, the dishonest national media is fanning the flames.

Good Post!

NASCAR left their fans and now thousands of empty seats week after week (I'm not a NASCAR fan for the record) but I have good friends that are. I hope the blow back from this crashes the NFL.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2017, 12:09:21 EDT »

Good Post!

NASCAR left their fans and now thousands of empty seats week after week (I'm not a NASCAR fan for the record) but I have good friends that are. I hope the blow back from this crashes the NFL.

I think it's already starting to happen.  TV ratings last Sunday were the lowest in decades, and I would imagine today's will be too.

The First Amendment may protect them, but the free market does NOT.
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2017, 01:07:34 EDT »

The protests are stupid.  Trump's comments are stupid.   But the First Amendment protects both.  You'd be surprised how many "woke" hipsters on twitter don't realize that.

I responded to one fool last night who was railing on about the 1A shouldn't apply to "hate speech".  I said I'll let you ban hate speech if you let me define it.

Seriously, I weep for our future.

You have every right to say what you want.  You can also be fired b/c of that speech and it's not a
Constitutional issue.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2017, 01:13:13 EDT »

You have every right to say what you want.  You can also be fired b/c of that speech and it's not a
Constitutional issue.

True.  However, judging by the statements released by most of the owners today, that's not going to happen.  At least not yet.  But when their bottom line is affected (and judging by the NFL's sagging ratings, that's already starting to happen), they just might change their tune.  The market always makes the ultimate decision.
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« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2017, 01:24:38 EDT »

True.  However, judging by the statements released by most of the owners today, that's not going to happen.  At least not yet.  But when their bottom line is affected (and judging by the NFL's sagging ratings, that's already starting to happen), they just might change their tune.  The market always makes the ultimate decision.

Thank God...
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« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2017, 02:06:20 EDT »

You don't do your protesting on the job......Go protest at your job on the clock and see where it gets you.

I hope the NFL crashes and burns.

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2017, 02:14:46 EDT »

The protests are stupid.  Trump's comments are stupid.   But the First Amendment protects both.  You'd be surprised how many "woke" hipsters on twitter don't realize that.

I responded to one fool last night who was railing on about the 1A shouldn't apply to "hate speech".  I said I'll let you ban hate speech if you let me define it.

Seriously, I weep for our future.

The 1st Amendment protects us (citizens) against the government.  It doesn't protect one at their work place.  The Football stadium on Sundays is a work place and the workers are the over paid prima donnas on the field.  So, their freedom of speech against the government is protected when not at work. All bets are off while at work. If you think I'm wrong, just go to your work in the morning and start expressing your opinion that everyone white should join the KKK or everyone black should join the Black Panthers.  See how that works out for you when you tell them you are protected under the 1st Amendment.
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2017, 02:39:06 EDT »

So is the interlocking arms thing a form of protest, too?

Yeah, the kneeling pissed me off too. It's not brave.  These guys aren't patriots.  It's easy and the "cool" thing to do for all these guys because being vehemently anti-Trump is "cool".  The "let's do something that is so disrespectful that it deeply offends the masses" method is the absolute laziest form of social activism. 

I think we call know who the REAL brave men and women are.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2017, 02:43:01 EDT »

Let me say that I am not a huge Trump supporter either...have never cared for him actually.  But...he has exceeded my expectations so far.  I went to the rally because one of my best and closest friends, who has done me quite a few favors lately, is a huge Trump supporter.  We were supposed to drink beer and smoke cigars Friday, but instead I got us some tickets to Trump.  I owed him one.   

And for the record, I do think it's special to see a President live. The last one I saw live was Reagan when he came to campus in the late 80s.  I believe he was in the old concert venue....the old gym that predated even Stokely, can't recall the name.... and I was not invited.  But...he waved from the limo on Cumberland as he drove past the Student Center on his way to where ever he was going next.  It was pretty cool, actually.

I might even have gone to see Obama given a chance, because whoever it is, is the President.

And all your comments on the NFL being stupid about it's base are true.  The NFL is inherently blue collar, working class guys who just want to watch football and blow off steam.  They will rue the day they sold out to save PC face.  IMO.
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2017, 03:02:26 EDT »

The 1st Amendment protects us (citizens) against the government.  It doesn't protect one at their work place.  The Football stadium on Sundays is a work place and the workers are the over paid prima donnas on the field.  So, their freedom of speech against the government is protected when not at work. All bets are off while at work. If you think I'm wrong, just go to your work in the morning and start expressing your opinion that everyone white should join the KKK or everyone black should join the Black Panthers.  See how that works out for you when you tell them you are protected under the 1st Amendment.

Oh, I realize that.  But I was referring to a few SJWs on twitter who say that the 1A protects the players' right to protest, but Trump somehow didn't have a right to say what he said.  There are actually people out there who believe that the 1A doesn't protect what they deem as "hate speech".  In fact, the whole antifa movement is founded on this principle.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2017, 03:02:59 EDT »

One other thing. My cousin's son (second cousin) is an Army vet who recently entered the reserves, but is still active.  He has been going off on facebook about the CTE.  Says even if it's real, the players know what they are getting into.  Just like vets suffer concusions and much more, for far less pay, and they also know what they are getting into, and don't sue because they have PTSD.  If you don't want CTE, don't play!

And here is what I say to all our noncomplaining vets....
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2017, 08:45:21 EDT »

I should think that Mr. Trump has bigger fish to fry with his ongoing verbal sparring with Kim jong un, the ongoing investigation into his Russian connection, his inability to separate himself from his personal business dealings, his wall, and all the other things he vowed to accomplish. He seems to miss every opportunity to just shut up. His opinions do not reflect the thoughts of the general population of the US. From a past tweetstorm of his "President should not be telling the Washington Redskins to change their name-our country has far bigger problems! FOCUS on them,not nonsense," Trump tweeted on October 8, 2013.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2017, 05:18:10 EDT »

I kneeled this morning to pick up the paper. There is a time and place to kneel.
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« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2017, 02:08:15 EDT »

I should think that Mr. Trump has bigger fish to fry with his ongoing verbal sparring with Kim jong un, the ongoing investigation into his Russian connection, his inability to separate himself from his personal business dealings, his wall, and all the other things he vowed to accomplish. He seems to miss every opportunity to just shut up. His opinions do not reflect the thoughts of the general population of the US. From a past tweetstorm of his "President should not be telling the Washington Redskins to change their name-our country has far bigger problems! FOCUS on them,not nonsense," Trump tweeted on October 8, 2013.

I see a big difference in complaining about the name of a pro sports team and disrespecting the flag. 

Trump does comment on a wide range of things he probably should not comment on, no disagreement there.

But...you are incorrect that a lot of Americans don't care about the national anthem being disrespected.  Polls show over half the population doesn't like it, and that's more than the percentage that voted for Trump.  I think an even greater majority of NFL fans, who tend to be working class, blue collar, don't care for it and it has seriously eroded NFL ratings.

While i understand and to some extent share your disdain of Trump, you continue to underestimate him.  I laughed a long time when he announced, then refused to believe the polls.  Around about March of last year, i accepted that he was almost certainly going to be the nominee (albeit with help from a field that was way too crowded) and that Hillary would thus likely be the Prez.   

Around the end of August, the polls narrowed and I realized he had a shot.  The night before the election, I figured it was going to be razor close.

In spite of how stupid he sounds, he is actually picking his battles carefully.  The NFL issue with the anthem protests is a very good example. He is definitely on the majority side of that, and not just with his supporters.
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