James Franklin is on the list for Texas?? ESPN roller showed 5 names........

[Tnphil]

Right now Texas should consider George O'Leary.....UCF looking pretty good.

Franklin is being considered for the Browns job so I'm reading.

[BanditVol]

Your argument is just further proof that he has done a great job at a school that hasn't won many games since the modern era of college football began with less talent than a lot of the teams he beat.  Using your argument he took lesser talent and coached it up and beat teams who had recruited better players on paper.  

Anyway one spins he he has done a great coaching job at Vanderbilt - let me repeat that, it's Vanderbilt - in a short period of time.  9 wins in year two, and 8 in year three with one left to play speaks for its self.

And I repeat - I can't stand the rat bastard, but that doesn't mean I don't give the devil his due.  

I agree...he has coached up the talent.  I never said he wasn't a good coach, he is.  You might have me confused with Emeril.

I do shade a bit towards "good coach" vs. "great coach" due to the fact that the East is down right now, but that's just a nit. 

If he takes the job at Penn State or anywhere else (Texas seems a long shot, but he might be the "safety choice" if Briles turns it down) then IMO we'll know more about what kind of coach he is. I have no doubt he can go to a big time school and win 8-9 games a year like he is at Vandy, but can he take it to the next level?  I suspect we will find out eventually.

[VinnieVOL]

Franklin is being considered for the Browns job so I'm reading.

I've heard Malzahn's name being mentioned there, too.  But wow, I don't see Franklin as an NFL coach at all.

[BanditVol]

I've heard Malzahn's name being mentioned there, too.  But wow, I don't see Franklin as an NFL coach at all.

Maybe just because the owner is a Tennessean and is very aware of Franklin.

Hey, it would help ole UT....

[EmerilVOL]

I agree...he has coached up the talent.  I never said he wasn't a good coach, he is.  You might have me confused with Emeril.

I do shade a bit towards "good coach" vs. "great coach" due to the fact that the East is down right now, but that's just a nit. 

If he takes the job at Penn State or anywhere else (Texas seems a long shot, but he might be the "safety choice" if Briles turns it down) then IMO we'll know more about what kind of coach he is. I have no doubt he can go to a big time school and win 8-9 games a year like he is at Vandy, but can he take it to the next level?  I suspect we will find out eventually.

First of all I do NOT wear ORANGE glasses.  Second Bandit I said I think he is overrated when people say he is a great coach.  He has won games against lower level of talent sure but he has beaten ONE and only one team with a winning record in THREE years.  That means he has his teams ready to play so it means he is doing his job.  So what if it is at Vandy or any other school, he is (along with the loosened admission requirements from Vandy enabling him to recruit some players that Vandy had not previously recruited - I have friends that work over at Vandy and have complained that Vandy is lowering standards to admit some of the players) a coach that has won games that any college coach should have won.  Also if you analyze the OOC schedule the last few years you will see that the Strength of Schedule is abysmal in regards to the other schools in the conference.  So he can win playing Wake Forest, UMass, Autin Peay, etc etc etc.  Could he have beaten Oregon?  (HELL NO it would have been as bad as we were skunked).  Franklin is not a great coach, but he has won some games and overall I would so far say the jury is still out on the Bald Headed West Ender until he competes with the big boys while at Vandy.  But iot does not look like this will happen since he is NOT going to stick around at Vandy.  I guess the administrations refusal to even think about a New Dudley Field or actually FILLING up a stadium when they are playing is the straw that broke the Franklin's back!!!

Finally Herb just because I disagree with you is no reason to say I am wearing Orange Colored glasses.  I frankly have a very logical viewpoint in looking at Franklin that includes analysis of the records and looking at the compilation of the wins and loses.  Franklin has done some good things but that does not make him a great/good  coach.  He has recruited against and won some players from the most god awful coach in UT history aka Fooley Dooley and he moved into a power vacuum within the state in the Kiffin debacle.  As I have said before the biggest mistake that was ever made was hiring a person that was not an athlete as the AD at UT.  He did not understand the "team" mentality and was the puppet of the guys with the dollars that he saw as the "heart" of UT's atheltic efforts.  Franklin was at the apex of the "perfect storm" in the state and it enabled Vandy to get some recruits.  Now with Butch Jones in the mix Franklin is getting to Twitter about Vandy losing recruits to UT not the other way around.   If Franklin sticks around (highly doubtful) we will see at his next stop whether or not he is a great coach if he can take things to the next level or if he is a flash in the pan. 

[PirateVOL]

First of all I do NOT wear ORANGE glasses.  Second Bandit I said I think he is overrated when people say he is a great coach.  He has won games against lower level of talent sure but he has beaten ONE and only one team with a winning record in THREE years.  That means he has his teams ready to play so it means he is doing his job.  So what if it is at Vandy or any other school, he is (along with the loosened admission requirements from Vandy enabling him to recruit some players that Vandy had not previously recruited - I have friends that work over at Vandy and have complained that Vandy is lowering standards to admit some of the players) a coach that has won games that any college coach should have won.  Also if you analyze the OOC schedule the last few years you will see that the Strength of Schedule is abysmal in regards to the other schools in the conference.  So he can win playing Wake Forest, UMass, Autin Peay, etc etc etc.  Could he have beaten Oregon?  (HELL NO it would have been as bad as we were skunked).  Franklin is not a great coach, but he has won some games and overall I would so far say the jury is still out on the Bald Headed West Ender until he competes with the big boys while at Vandy.  But iot does not look like this will happen since he is NOT going to stick around at Vandy.  I guess the administrations refusal to even think about a New Dudley Field or actually FILLING up a stadium when they are playing is the straw that broke the Franklin's back!!!

Finally Herb just because I disagree with you is no reason to say I am wearing Orange Colored glasses.  I frankly have a very logical viewpoint in looking at Franklin that includes analysis of the records and looking at the compilation of the wins and loses.  Franklin has done some good things but that does not make him a great/good  coach.  He has recruited against and won some players from the most god awful coach in UT history aka Fooley Dooley and he moved into a power vacuum within the state in the Kiffin debacle.  As I have said before the biggest mistake that was ever made was hiring a person that was not an athlete as the AD at UT.  He did not understand the "team" mentality and was the puppet of the guys with the dollars that he saw as the "heart" of UT's atheltic efforts.  Franklin was at the apex of the "perfect storm" in the state and it enabled Vandy to get some recruits.  Now with Butch Jones in the mix Franklin is getting to Twitter about Vandy losing recruits to UT not the other way around.   If Franklin sticks around (highly doubtful) we will see at his next stop whether or not he is a great coach if he can take things to the next level or if he is a flash in the pan. 

This
Franklin is pushing his name all over the place
Two reasons in my view:
He knows he has reached his pinnical at candy and is getting out while he can
He knows Butch is winning the in state battle in recruiting, and will continue to do so (see #1)

[HerbTarlekVol]

First of all I do NOT wear ORANGE glasses.  Second Bandit I said I think he is overrated when people say he is a great coach.  He has won games against lower level of talent sure but he has beaten ONE and only one team with a winning record in THREE years.  That means he has his teams ready to play so it means he is doing his job.  So what if it is at Vandy or any other school, he is (along with the loosened admission requirements from Vandy enabling him to recruit some players that Vandy had not previously recruited - I have friends that work over at Vandy and have complained that Vandy is lowering standards to admit some of the players) a coach that has won games that any college coach should have won.  Also if you analyze the OOC schedule the last few years you will see that the Strength of Schedule is abysmal in regards to the other schools in the conference.  So he can win playing Wake Forest, UMass, Autin Peay, etc etc etc.  Could he have beaten Oregon?  (HELL NO it would have been as bad as we were skunked).  Franklin is not a great coach, but he has won some games and overall I would so far say the jury is still out on the Bald Headed West Ender until he competes with the big boys while at Vandy.  But iot does not look like this will happen since he is NOT going to stick around at Vandy.  I guess the administrations refusal to even think about a New Dudley Field or actually FILLING up a stadium when they are playing is the straw that broke the Franklin's back!!!

Finally Herb just because I disagree with you is no reason to say I am wearing Orange Colored glasses.  I frankly have a very logical viewpoint in looking at Franklin that includes analysis of the records and looking at the compilation of the wins and loses.  Franklin has done some good things but that does not make him a great/good  coach.  He has recruited against and won some players from the most god awful coach in UT history aka Fooley Dooley and he moved into a power vacuum within the state in the Kiffin debacle.  As I have said before the biggest mistake that was ever made was hiring a person that was not an athlete as the AD at UT.  He did not understand the "team" mentality and was the puppet of the guys with the dollars that he saw as the "heart" of UT's atheltic efforts.  Franklin was at the apex of the "perfect storm" in the state and it enabled Vandy to get some recruits.  Now with Butch Jones in the mix Franklin is getting to Twitter about Vandy losing recruits to UT not the other way around.   If Franklin sticks around (highly doubtful) we will see at his next stop whether or not he is a great coach if he can take things to the next level or if he is a flash in the pan. 

Sorry, Emeril.  I just don't see how one can discount what Franklin has done at Vandy.  I repeat at VANDY.  Blaming Dooley has nothing to do with the reality of what he has done there.  Yep, Dooley gave him an opening, but he not only opened that door, he kicked it in. 

Anyway you try to justify it, that's looking through orange colored glasses. 

I can't stand him personally, but he has won games where no coach has been able to win games before, down SEC East or no.  Credit where credit is due. 

[BanditVol]

Sorry, Emeril.  I just don't see how one can discount what Franklin has done at Vandy.  I repeat at VANDY.  Blaming Dooley has nothing to do with the reality of what he has done there.  Yep, Dooley gave him an opening, but he not only opened that door, he kicked it in. 

Anyway you try to justify it, that's looking through orange colored glasses. 

I can't stand him personally, but he has won games where no coach has been able to win games before, down SEC East or no.  Credit where credit is due. 

The way I look at it is that back in the day, Woody Widenhofer won some games at Vandy, but just could not get them over the hump.  Of course, this was when Tennessee and Florida were two of the dominant teams in the country, let alone the SEC, and Georgia was pretty good when not playing those two.  So Woody could occasionally beat USC and Kentucky, but that was about it. And this was the era of 11 games, so winning 3 OOC games and at most 2 SEC games wasn't going to get a bowl bid.  I think he might have snuck into one bowl at 6-5, I'm not sure.

Anyway, Franklin might just be like Woody with the East down a bit.  Let me put it this way....while I acknowledge Franklin is good, it takes some unusual circumstances on top of that for Vandy to beat Uga, UT and UF all in the same year.  Like all three of those programs having off years together, which almost never happens. 

But whatever...he's a  good coach.  I still think Cut is just as good or better though.