Allow me to state the painfully obvious.........

[droner]

We just don't have the players. Not only when it comes to depth, but with the first string. I don't want to start a Fulmer thread and please don't turn it into one, but our talent level is woefully deficient. We are paying the price for poor recruiting over his last few years. The Kiffin fiasco didn't help and yes, the talent we do have is young, but I just don't see that many players that are as good as the better teams in the SEC have. Not even as good as Georgia, which isn't one of the better teams.

This is a 6 & 6 season. Even if Bray can play.

We have to have probably two more good recruiting seasons in order to be able to compete.

It's going to be a long haul.

[3beans]

You finally see it like I have been seeing it for a long time.  We have 0 depth and very little on the starting front.  Injuries are something we cannot overcome because we have no one to step up.  I still think we win won we shouldn't this year and get to seven wins....but I am the optimist.

[BanditVol]

We still have a shot at USCe and arky, though both played well today.  Those games are still a ways off, and bammer and LSU should...as my old band director said of greenhorn trumpet players a long time ago that needed practice..."build character".

[volmeister]

We are getting some poor coaching also.  Zero excuse for our special teams to be this bad.  Same old problems every week and they aren't being corrected.

[BanditVol]

We are getting some poor coaching also.  Zero excuse for our special teams to be this bad.  Same old problems every week and they aren't being corrected.

Well...I kind of agree.  The only real problems I see are two blocked punts and the muffed onsides.  Onsides can go bad, I don't feel so bad about that, but the blocked punts need to stop.

The blocked extra point?  Totally ridiculous.  

On the bright side, Devrin did a really good job tonight.  Really good.  Kickoffs were generally okay.  The missed FG was a very long one, and Darr did IMO an exceptional job in punts.  We did not allow any good returns.

So I see the problem as limited lack of kick protection (brain fart, lol).  We definitely need to shore that up.

[3beans]

Kick coverage is good.  The kicker is bad.  Coaching can't fix a weak leg.  Palardy is a bust.  Darr actually had some nice kicks and shows some promise but we need to get someone who can kick FSs and extra points.

[VinnieVOL]

With out talent level there's just no margin for error.  We hung with them for a half, but the comedy of errors in the 2nd half gave us no chance.

[BanditVol]

Kick coverage is good.  The kicker is bad.  Coaching can't fix a weak leg.  Palardy is a bust.  Darr actually had some nice kicks and shows some promise but we need to get someone who can kick FSs and extra points.

Palardy is not what I expected, to be sure, but perhaps he will improve.  He at least has hit the shorter FGs lately.  I am not going to hold him that accountable for missing a 51-yarder.

[droner]

Kick coverage is good.  The kicker is bad.  Coaching can't fix a weak leg.  Palardy is a bust.  Darr actually had some nice kicks and shows some promise but we need to get someone who can kick FSs and extra points.

Unfortunately, Darr's poor punt turned the game. Right after the high snap on third down. I don't know if we win even if those two things didn't happen but that definitely changed the game.

[BanditVol]

Unfortunately, Darr's poor punt turned the game. Right after the high snap on third down. I don't know if we win even if those two things didn't happen but that definitely changed the game.

Really? I may have fast forwarded through that.

[3beans]

I think it was 39 yards with no return from his own endzone.  That's not to bad.

[volmeister]

I think it was 39 yards with no return from his own endzone.  That's not to bad.

I think it was 31 yards  UGA got the ball at our 39

[BanditVol]

The bad punt hurt, but also what would have helped would be a first down or two in that situation. 

[droner]

The bad punt hurt, but also what would have helped would be a first down or two in that situation. 

Yes. that's why the high snap hurt. I don't know if we would have made a first down on that third down play but at least we would have had a chance. And we wouldn't have lost yardage. Then the poor punt and things changed.

It's amazing sometimes how one or two things can turn a game.

[3beans]

I think what turned the game was Teague getting beat for about the 4th time and letting a freshmen make a long ball catch.  That's what changed the game.

[droner]

I think what turned the game was Teague getting beat for about the 4th time and letting a freshmen make a long ball catch.  That's what changed the game.

Well, that certainly didn't help.   

[CobbWebb]

There's nothing wrong with blaming Fulmer for a large part of the problem we are in. Afterall, he is responsible.

You're right, we don't have enough talent and it's going to take a couple of more years and that is assuming that Dooley will recruit well.

CW

We just don't have the players. Not only when it comes to depth, but with the first string. I don't want to start a Fulmer thread and please don't turn it into one, but our talent level is woefully deficient.

[PirateVOL]

There's nothing wrong with blaming Fulmer for a large part of the problem we are in. Afterall, he is responsible.

You're right, we don't have enough talent and it's going to take a couple of more years and that is assuming that Dooley will recruit well.

CW

I would ask where the Jr class is

[CobbWebb]

Kiffin was in and out. It took a long time to destroy this program.

With that said, I agree, his one class was a joke.

CW

I would ask where the Jr class is

[PirateVOL]

Kiffin was in and out. It took a long time to destroy this program.

With that said, I agree, his one class was a joke.

CW

He also ran off a lot of what would be our Sr class and there aren't many left of his one class.  That is two years gone.

[BanditVol]

He also ran off a lot of what would be our Sr class and there aren't many left of his one class.  That is two years gone.

Agree all around. 

The high snap...I had forgotten that.     I think that was the key play, not the punt, though the punt did make it worse.

We have mostly elminated those.  Still a ways to go though.

[CobbWebb]

Well, a lot of what he ran off wasn't very good in the first place so what's the point?

Fulmer and Kiffin screwed the program.

And now Dooley has to pay the price. But nights like tonight don't help his cause. The team was ill prepared for the game and the coaching tonight was not very good. The whole program is in a sorry state of affairs with plenty of blame to go around and yes, a little bit falls on Dooley's shoulders.

CW

[BanditVol]

Well, a lot of what he ran off wasn't very good in the first place so what's the point?

Fulmer and Kiffin screwed the program.

And now Dooley has to pay the price. But nights like tonight don't help his cause. The team was ill prepared for the game and the coaching tonight was not very good. The whole program is in a sorry state of affairs with plenty of blame to go around and yes, a little bit falls on Dooley's shoulders.

CW

Fulmer left the cupboard bare...we hear that a lot, but I don't think it was as bare as maybe some think.   He did have Tahj Boyd locked down in that last year, whom Kiffin inexplicably dropped.  Last time I checked, he was doing just fine at Clemson.   Even Crompton came around in his senior year.  Our problem in 2008 IMO was not talent, it was piss-poor offensive coaching by an OC in over his head that Fulmer never should have hired to begin with.

This is in no way a defense of Fulmer, but I think we still had high-level SEC talent in 2008.  Was it top notch, best in the conference?  No, but it was still pretty durn good.  The cupboard was not "bare".  IMO.