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CobbWebb
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2011, 05:21:19 EDT » |
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How dare you question the best coach in the country.
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2011, 05:22:41 EDT » |
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Comon..... It was like 4th and 17 with 8 and a half minutes to go. A lot can happen in that amount of time. One thing I do not agree on is that the play clock is reset when the offense gets a penalty. Then they get to run 30 more seconds off the clock. Theoretically a team could use up the entire game clock by jumping offsides. This is wrong and punishes the defense for an offensive penalty.
I posted this in the wrong thread.
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2011, 05:33:21 EDT » |
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because it was the correct call, given down and distance and time left. |
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2011, 05:34:49 EDT » |
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Needed a better call on 3rd down IMO. Acknowldege that it's 4-down territory, settle for less than 17, and then 4th is managable.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2011, 05:37:15 EDT » |
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Needed a better call on 3rd down IMO. Acknowldege that it's 4-down territory, settle for less than 17, and then 4th is managable.
I agree, and that was probably the plan but the execution left a bit to be desired |
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2011, 05:50:04 EDT » |
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Don't let the color guy color your opinion of play calls. He thought it was ludicrous we punted in that situation, but I find it ludicrous he was hired by ESPN.
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« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2011, 05:51:22 EDT » |
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Don't let the color guy color your opinion of play calls. He thought it was ludicrous we punted in that situation, but I find it ludicrous he was hired by ESPN.
Apparently the color guy received no education when he was at Washington  |
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All men dream: but not equally. Those who Dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds Wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the Dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they May act their dream with open eyes, to make it Possible. This I did. —T. E. Lawrence, The Seven Pillars of Wisdom _________________________________________________________________________________________________ "If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly." - David Hackworth "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet" General James "Mad Dog" Mattis |
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« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2011, 03:46:12 EDT » |
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because it was the correct call, given down and distance and time left.
Why was it the right call? We netted about 25 yards on the punt, which was predictable. When we punted the ball we basically waved the white flag. The chances of converting the 4th down were remote, I will agree, but the chances of winning the game after we punted were miniscule. |
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2011, 04:29:43 EDT » |
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That's right. If losing by a td was the goal, it was the right call. CW Why was it the right call? We netted about 25 yards on the punt, which was predictable. When we punted the ball we basically waved the white flag. The chances of converting the 4th down were remote, I will agree, but the chances of winning the game after we punted were miniscule.
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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2011, 04:41:48 EDT » |
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Why was it the right call? We netted about 25 yards on the punt, which was predictable. When we punted the ball we basically waved the white flag. The chances of converting the 4th down were remote, I will agree, but the chances of winning the game after we punted were miniscule.
With over 8 minutes left? I do not agree. NOT punting in that situation sends the message of panic and desperation. Way too much time left with being down two scores to not punt. |
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2011, 04:52:03 EDT » |
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With over 8 minutes left? I do not agree. NOT punting in that situation sends the message of panic and desperation. Way too much time left with being down two scores to not punt.
We were desparate. We were down by 14 points in the middle of the 4th quarter in a game, that to that point we had only managed 2 FG's. I'm pretty sure that we had not held GA to a single 3 and out. 8 minutes is not too much time in a game that we had scored only 6 points in 52 minutes. |
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2011, 05:07:19 EDT » |
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We were desparate. We were down by 14 points in the middle of the 4th quarter in a game, that to that point we had only managed 2 FG's. I'm pretty sure that we had not held GA to a single 3 and out. 8 minutes is not too much time in a game that we had scored only 6 points in 52 minutes.
You may have been desperate, but the people who counted were not and scheming to give us the best chance to win. |
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All men dream: but not equally. Those who Dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds Wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the Dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they May act their dream with open eyes, to make it Possible. This I did. —T. E. Lawrence, The Seven Pillars of Wisdom _________________________________________________________________________________________________ "If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly." - David Hackworth "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet" General James "Mad Dog" Mattis |
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2011, 05:13:36 EDT » |
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You may have been desperate, but the people who counted were not and scheming to give us the best chance to win.
How many here think Spurrier would have punted, how about Urban? Hell I bet Saban goes for it. When we punted we were conceding defeat. We had almost no chance before the punt, we had zero chance afterward. |
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2011, 05:16:55 EDT » |
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Right on. How many here think Spurrier would have punted, how about Urban? Hell I bet Saban goes for it. When we punted we were conceding defeat. We had almost no chance before the punt, we had zero chance afterward.
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« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2011, 05:25:49 EDT » |
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How many here think Spurrier would have punted, how about Urban? Hell I bet Saban goes for it. When we punted we were conceding defeat. We had almost no chance before the punt, we had zero chance afterward.
BULL shizzle! We had a chance, period, dot. As for what other coaches may or may not have done, is not revelant. BTW, SOS PUNTED on 4th and 2 in a similar situation last week. |
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All men dream: but not equally. Those who Dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds Wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the Dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they May act their dream with open eyes, to make it Possible. This I did. —T. E. Lawrence, The Seven Pillars of Wisdom _________________________________________________________________________________________________ "If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly." - David Hackworth "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet" General James "Mad Dog" Mattis |
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« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2011, 06:48:27 EDT » |
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How many here think Spurrier would have punted, how about Urban? Hell I bet Saban goes for it. When we punted we were conceding defeat. We had almost no chance before the punt, we had zero chance afterward.
You have to play the odds. Spurrier, Meyer and Saban would have all punted in that situation. If I were coach, I would have gone for it. But this was big-boy football, not EA NCAA 12...and that's why I (nor anyone else criticizing Dooley's decision not to go for it) am not coaching. If it were 4th and manageable, maybe. But 4th and long? No way. The chances of converting that 4th down are almost nil. You have to punt, hold them to a 3-and-out, then get the ball back with good field position. It worked. OTOH, if you go for it and fail, which you probably will, not only will it open up more plays for Georgia (they aren't going to be as conservative as they are deep in their own territory) but even if you do hold them to a 3-and-out, you're going to get the ball needing to go much further to score. In that situation, I thought it was a no-brainer to punt. |
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« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2011, 08:21:40 EDT » |
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You have to play the odds. Spurrier, Meyer and Saban would have all punted in that situation. If I were coach, I would have gone for it. But this was big-boy football, not EA NCAA 12...and that's why I (nor anyone else criticizing Dooley's decision not to go for it) am not coaching.
If it were 4th and manageable, maybe. But 4th and long? No way. The chances of converting that 4th down are almost nil. You have to punt, hold them to a 3-and-out, then get the ball back with good field position. It worked. OTOH, if you go for it and fail, which you probably will, not only will it open up more plays for Georgia (they aren't going to be as conservative as they are deep in their own territory) but even if you do hold them to a 3-and-out, you're going to get the ball needing to go much further to score.
In that situation, I thought it was a no-brainer to punt.
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2011, 08:31:47 EDT » |
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I think the odds are better for converting a 4th and 16 with 8 minutes on the clock and scoring, holding them and scoring again than punting, letting them run off 3-4 minutes, scoring, converting an onside kick and then scoring again.
Seriously, what's more likely, converting a 4th and 16 or converting an onside kick that is not a surprise?
If everything breaks our way in both scenarios, which it would have to to win in either case, you are looking at more time on the clock for a final go ahead drive under the going for it on 4th and 16 scenario than the other.
Like I said in another post, either scenario is crap and wishful thinking at best but going for it at that stage of the game gives you a better shot at winning if everything goes right. Everything would have to go right under the other as well.
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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2011, 09:05:42 EDT » |
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I think the odds are better for converting a 4th and 16 with 8 minutes on the clock and scoring, holding them and scoring again than punting, letting them run off 3-4 minutes, scoring, converting an onside kick and then scoring again.
Seriously, what's more likely, converting a 4th and 16 or converting an onside kick that is not a surprise?
If everything breaks our way in both scenarios, which it would have to to win in either case, you are looking at more time on the clock for a final go ahead drive under the going for it on 4th and 16 scenario than the other.
Like I said in another post, either scenario is crap and wishful thinking at best but going for it at that stage of the game gives you a better shot at winning if everything goes right. Everything would have to go right under the other as well.
I agree. We weren't going to win either way. I didn't like it because IMO, punting meant we quit. |
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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2011, 12:27:46 EDT » |
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What you want to do is, put the quote tags around only the text of the post you are referring to... not your post along with it. Sigh, noobs. |
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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2011, 12:40:25 EDT » |
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What you want to do is, put the quote tags around only the text of the post you are referring to... not your post along with it. Sigh, noobs.
It was an ipad malfunction. |
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2011, 12:55:36 EDT » |
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It was an ipad malfunction.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2011, 02:43:23 EDT » |
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Learn to shut your stupid face.
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