Just my take on the horrific call in our game

[Volznut]

I don't want to hear from those saying "we didn't deserve to win because we shot poorly, blah blah blah". Bullshizzle. We deserved a SHOT to win, tie, or lose the game with a last shot. The call was so horrific, I can't begin to tolerate it. The ball not only bounces off Henry's hand, it hits his head and you can see sweat coming off his forehead when it hits. The ref, standing 5 feet away, looking right at it, calls OM ball. We're down by 2, we DESERVED the chance to get the ball and get a shot off. I am not going to say the call COST US THE GAME, because I don't know what would have happened. Maybe we hit a 3 and win. Maybe we hit a 2 and tie. Maybe we miss the shot and lose anyway. Bottom line, we shot poorly, but we were in the game, made a big shot to send it to OT, and then basically were robbed of a chance to win by the ref. That call was possibly the difference between the NCAAT and the NIT. Possibly. CCM should send the tape to Slive, and demand we start hiring some competent refs. That guy should be suspended...he is incompetent.

[BanditVol]

I was fast forwarding through that and didn't really spend the time dissecting it.  My folks are in town and I didn't want to bore them by going over it in detail.

I did see the original call go our way and then get overturned, but I assumed they actually saw something on the video.

Well that suxes if they blew the call.

I have to say that back to back turnovers in OT also did not help, but had we gotten the ball there, we had a great chance to win.   It's too bad....maybe they will take their frustration out on the NIT.

[VinnieVOL]

I don't want to hear from those saying "we didn't deserve to win because we shot poorly, blah blah blah". Bullshizzle. We deserved a SHOT to win, tie, or lose the game with a last shot. The call was so horrific, I can't begin to tolerate it. The ball not only bounces off Henry's hand, it hits his head and you can see sweat coming off his forehead when it hits. The ref, standing 5 feet away, looking right at it, calls OM ball. We're down by 2, we DESERVED the chance to get the ball and get a shot off. I am not going to say the call COST US THE GAME, because I don't know what would have happened. Maybe we hit a 3 and win. Maybe we hit a 2 and tie. Maybe we miss the shot and lose anyway. Bottom line, we shot poorly, but we were in the game, made a big shot to send it to OT, and then basically were robbed of a chance to win by the ref. That call was possibly the difference between the NCAAT and the NIT. Possibly. CCM should send the tape to Slive, and demand we start hiring some competent refs. That guy should be suspended...he is incompetent.

Sorry, but that's the way I see it.  We had destiny in our hands the entire game and didn't capitalize.  Sure it was a horribly blown call, but the two dumb turnovers in OT upset me just as bad or worse.  We had a SHOT to win, throughout the game.  Then by a miracle we made it to OT and then had another SHOT to win and blew it again.  The onus is squarely on the team.

I just don't buy blaming refs.  Score should've never been that close to begin with.

[Black Diamond Vol]

I agree.  I could buy the "we shouldn't have let it come to that" line if I thought our effort was lacking.  But it wasn't.  Maybe we could have shot better, maybe we could've taken care of the ball a little better.  But our guys played their asses off last night.  They left it all on the floor.  And they've worked their asses off for two months just to be in this position.  And they most definitely didn't deserve to have their postseason aspirations dashed by a shizzlety call.  I've slept on it, and I'm still pissed.

[Inspector Vol]

Both views are spot on. We had our chances to may the call never happen. That said it was one of the most horrendous calls I have ever seen at any level. The ball actually went straight up and hit his head before it turned 90 degrees and went out toward the sideline. 

[Volznut]

Sorry, but that's the way I see it.  We had destiny in our hands the entire game and didn't capitalize.  Sure it was a horribly blown call, but the two dumb turnovers in OT upset me just as bad or worse.  We had a SHOT to win, throughout the game.  Then by a miracle we made it to OT and then had another SHOT to win and blew it again.  The onus is squarely on the team.

I just don't buy blaming refs.  Score should've never been that close to begin with.

What? Ole Miss didn't bring it? OM played well. Why should it not have been close? If you want to talk about the game, we did a pretty bad job of going inside, 34 threes? Bottom line is, with the correct call, we have a chance to win ... a chance. With the wrong call, the ref dictated the outcome.

[Volznut]

I was fast forwarding through that and didn't really spend the time dissecting it.  My folks are in town and I didn't want to bore them by going over it in detail.

I did see the original call go our way and then get overturned, but I assumed they actually saw something on the video.

Well that suxes if they blew the call.

I have to say that back to back turnovers in OT also did not help, but had we gotten the ball there, we had a great chance to win.   It's too bad....maybe they will take their frustration out on the NIT.

The call didn't go our way, what are you talking about?

[BanditVol]

The call didn't go our way, what are you talking about?

The announcer originally said the ball was the Vols.  Then it seemed the refs reviewed it for several minutes and decided it was Ole Miss ball.  But I didn't watch it very closely.

[RockinGrannyVol]

The refs didn't review crap....they called it to OM period. It was a bad call ...had they are th right cll, we had the opportunity to win or tie the game.   A seriously bad call took that opportunity away.    We should ave played better, by a bad call that obvious by the refs should never

[RockinGrannyVol]

I hate the keyboard on the iPad....

[VinnieVOL]

What? Ole Miss didn't bring it? OM played well. Why should it not have been close? If you want to talk about the game, we did a pretty bad job of going inside, 34 threes? Bottom line is, with the correct call, we have a chance to win ... a chance. With the wrong call, the ref dictated the outcome.

Shouldn't have been that close because we're a better team than them.  If we play like we're capable of playing on both ends of the court, we beat them by 10+.  But I never said they didn't bring it, they certainly did and we did not.

It's ok, we don't have to agree.   

[BanditVol]

The refs didn't review crap....they called it to OM period. It was a bad call ...had they are th right cll, we had the opportunity to win or tie the game.   A seriously bad call took that opportunity away.    We should ave played better, by a bad call that obvious by the refs should never

Okay thanks.  I had DVR'd it, as I was out dining with my parents.  When we got back I think I mostly fast forwarded past that.   It must have been a timeout that delayed things.  I did catch the announcers saying it was Tennessee ball, but they just assumed I guess.

[volmeister]

What? Ole Miss didn't bring it? OM played well. Why should it not have been close? If you want to talk about the game, we did a pretty bad job of going inside, 34 threes? Bottom line is, with the correct call, we have a chance to win ... a chance. With the wrong call, the ref dictated the outcome.

I don't think OM played well.  In fact, the only reason we were still in the game at halftime is because OM stunk the place up as bad as us.  The ref didn't dictate the outcome of the game. We on the other made 18 of 64 shots, if we had had made 20 of 64, we win. I think that had a lot more to do with the outcome of the game than that one blown call.  It was a terrible call, but over the course of the game there were several missed calls for both teams. If all of those calls were reversed maybe we win, or  maybe we get beat worse. 

[Black Diamond Vol]

No offense, but some of you act like battered wives.  You're so used to getting beat up and shizzle on, you just accept it as a fact of life.  Furthermore, you begin to think it must be our fault.  I can't blame you.  It's been a tough decade to be a Vol fan.  But I myself have yet to reach that point.  

This program has been to hell and back over the past 18 months.  They've been extorted by the NCAA into firing the greatest coach in their history, for the equivalent of a speeding ticket.  They were sold out by their own AD just a couple days before the NCAAT, and predictably came out flat and got blown out in the first round.  They hired a coach no one had ever heard of.  A month into the season, people were already talking about running him out of town.  They lost to College of Charleston, Oakland, and Austin Freakin' Peay.  At that point, they could have folded up shop, and no one would have blamed them.  But unlike everyone else in Vol Nation, they kept believing.  They fought and scratched and clawed their way through the SEC, to the point where most experts said they were only one win away from a bid to the Big Dance.  And for that game to end in that matter, well, it was like a sucker punch to the balls.  

Again, no one is saying we definitely would have won if the refs had gotten that call right.  But we at least deserved the chance to try.  Richardson made a great play, everyone sitting in the vicinity of the play was pointing the other way, and the refs can't even conference and try to get it right?  Bullshizzle.  The game is over.  I accept that, but I damn sure don't have to like it.  

Daddy smacked his bitch up yet again.  But I guess she had it coming.  

[volmeister]

No offense, but some of you act like battered wives.  You're so used to getting beat up and shizzle on, you just accept it as a fact of life.  Furthermore, you begin to think it must be our fault.  I can't blame you.  It's been a tough decade to be a Vol fan.  But I myself have yet to reach that point.  

This program has been to hell and back over the past 18 months.  They've been extorted by the NCAA into firing the greatest coach in their history, for the equivalent of a speeding ticket.  They were sold out by their own AD just a couple days before the NCAAT, and predictably came out flat and got blown out in the first round.  They hired a coach no one had ever heard of.  A month into the season, people were already talking about running him out of town.  They lost to College of Charleston, Oakland, and Austin Freakin' Peay.  At that point, they could have folded up shop, and no one would have blamed them.  But unlike everyone else in Vol Nation, they kept believing.  They fought and scratched and clawed their way through the SEC, to the point where most experts said they were only one win away from a bid to the Big Dance.  And for that game to end in that matter, well, it was like a sucker punch to the balls.  

Again, no one is saying we definitely would have won if the refs had gotten that call right.  But we at least deserved the chance to try.  Richardson made a great play, everyone sitting in the vicinity of the play was pointing the other way, and the refs can't even conference and try to get it right?  Bullshizzle.  The game is over.  I accept that, but I damn sure don't have to like it.  

Daddy smacked his bitch up yet again.  But I guess that was her fault.  

I don't think anybody is saying that we didn't deserve a correct call. I don't think anybody is saying they liked the outcome.   I am saying that we shouldn't have played so poorly that the game could turn on one bad call.  I am also saying that there were a number of bad calls, some of which resulted in points for  both teams and or change of possession.   

[VinnieVOL]

No offense, but some of you act like battered wives.  You're so used to getting beat up and shizzle on, you just accept it as a fact of life.  Furthermore, you begin to think it must be our fault.  I can't blame you.  It's been a tough decade to be a Vol fan.  But I myself have yet to reach that point.  

This program has been to hell and back over the past 18 months.  They've been extorted by the NCAA into firing the greatest coach in their history, for the equivalent of a speeding ticket.  They were sold out by their own AD just a couple days before the NCAAT, and predictably came out flat and got blown out in the first round.  They hired a coach no one had ever heard of.  A month into the season, people were already talking about running him out of town.  They lost to College of Charleston, Oakland, and Austin Freakin' Peay.  At that point, they could have folded up shop, and no one would have blamed them.  But unlike everyone else in Vol Nation, they kept believing.  They fought and scratched and clawed their way through the SEC, to the point where most experts said they were only one win away from a bid to the Big Dance.  And for that game to end in that matter, well, it was like a sucker punch to the balls.  

Again, no one is saying we definitely would have won if the refs had gotten that call right.  But we at least deserved the chance to try.  Richardson made a great play, everyone sitting in the vicinity of the play was pointing the other way, and the refs can't even conference and try to get it right?  Bullshizzle.  The game is over.  I accept that, but I damn sure don't have to like it.  

Daddy smacked his bitch up yet again.  But I guess she had it coming.  

You really think I don't know all of that?  You think I've enjoyed all the s*** TN has been drug through the last few years?  Of course not, none of us have.  But just because I don't get as bent out of shape as someone else about a bad call doesn't mean I've accepted how things are.  Our fault, seriously?  I just happen to have a different perspective on the game.  Of course I wish the refs would've got that call right.  Of course I don't like it.  But you think Tennessee is the first program in history to go through hard times?  What are we "owed" exactly?  Just because the last 18 months have been rough, that means we've accepted it like battered wives?  18 months?  How spoiled we as a fan base truly are.  You know, it may be another couple of years or it could be a decade or two before something truly great happens in TN sports.  And if so, you think that's unprecedented?     Hardly.  "Daddy" doesn't owe us anything.  Refs miss calls.  The timing of last night's call was unfortunate, to say the least.  But to be honest with you, IMO complaining about refs is not a winner's mentality.  What good does it do?  So, since I'm not putting all the blame on the refs for losing I'm acting like a battered wife?  Bullshizzle.  It was just my opinion.  We all look at things differently.  Why is that such a big deal?

Bruce Pearl was forced out for lying to and deceiving the wrong people, not for the "speeding ticket".  We all know this.  It's not the NCAA's fault.  He shouldn't have lied.

And if you think it's pathetic that I'm at a point in my life where sports are just sports and I don't let the outcome of them determine my happiness, then that's fine and dandy with me.   

[Volznut]

The announcer originally said the ball was the Vols.  Then it seemed the refs reviewed it for several minutes and decided it was Ole Miss ball.  But I didn't watch it very closely.

No, the ref immediately called OM ball, there was no review at all. The announcers did say it was a bad call

[Volznut]

I don't think OM played well.  In fact, the only reason we were still in the game at halftime is because OM stunk the place up as bad as us.  The ref didn't dictate the outcome of the game. We on the other made 18 of 64 shots, if we had had made 20 of 64, we win. I think that had a lot more to do with the outcome of the game than that one blown call.  It was a terrible call, but over the course of the game there were several missed calls for both teams. If all of those calls were reversed maybe we win, or  maybe we get beat worse. 

They played well defensively. They also did well driving to the paint and scoring.

[Volznut]

No offense, but some of you act like battered wives.  You're so used to getting beat up and shizzle on, you just accept it as a fact of life.  Furthermore, you begin to think it must be our fault.  I can't blame you.  It's been a tough decade to be a Vol fan.  But I myself have yet to reach that point.  

This program has been to hell and back over the past 18 months.  They've been extorted by the NCAA into firing the greatest coach in their history, for the equivalent of a speeding ticket.  They were sold out by their own AD just a couple days before the NCAAT, and predictably came out flat and got blown out in the first round.  They hired a coach no one had ever heard of.  A month into the season, people were already talking about running him out of town.  They lost to College of Charleston, Oakland, and Austin Freakin' Peay.  At that point, they could have folded up shop, and no one would have blamed them.  But unlike everyone else in Vol Nation, they kept believing.  They fought and scratched and clawed their way through the SEC, to the point where most experts said they were only one win away from a bid to the Big Dance.  And for that game to end in that matter, well, it was like a sucker punch to the balls.  

Again, no one is saying we definitely would have won if the refs had gotten that call right.  But we at least deserved the chance to try.  Richardson made a great play, everyone sitting in the vicinity of the play was pointing the other way, and the refs can't even conference and try to get it right?  Bullshizzle.  The game is over.  I accept that, but I damn sure don't have to like it.  

Daddy smacked his bitch up yet again.  But I guess she had it coming.  

Battered wive syndrome ..... good analogy IMO

[Black Diamond Vol]

You really think I don't know all of that?  You think I've enjoyed all the s*** TN has been drug through the last few years?  Of course not, none of us have.  But just because I don't get as bent out of shape as someone else about a bad call doesn't mean I've accepted how things are.  Our fault, seriously?  I just happen to have a different perspective on the game.  Of course I wish the refs would've got that call right.  Of course I don't like it.  But you think Tennessee is the first program in history to go through hard times?  What are we "owed" exactly?  Just because the last 18 months have been rough, that means we've accepted it like battered wives?  18 months?  How spoiled we as a fan base truly are.  You know, it may be another couple of years or it could be a decade or two before something truly great happens in TN sports.  And if so, you think that's unprecedented?     Hardly.  "Daddy" doesn't owe us anything.  Refs miss calls.  The timing of last night's call was unfortunate, to say the least.  But to be honest with you, IMO complaining about refs is not a winner's mentality.  What good does it do?  So, since I'm not putting all the blame on the refs for losing I'm acting like a battered wife?  Bullshizzle.  It was just my opinion.  We all look at things differently.  Why is that such a big deal?

Bruce Pearl was forced out for lying to and deceiving the wrong people, not for the "speeding ticket".  We all know this.  It's not the NCAA's fault.  He shouldn't have lied.

And if you think it's pathetic that I'm at a point in my life where sports are just sports and I don't let the outcome of them determine my happiness, then that's fine and dandy with me.   

Seriously, man, you put so many words in my mouth that I don't even know where to begin- so I won't.  But I will say that I don't consider anyone here "pathetic".  Sorry if you got the wrong idea.

[VinnieVOL]

Yeah, to be completely honest I've had a really sick baby all weekend and was going on zero sleep when I posted that.  I'm pretty sure I overreacted.  Sorry.  :-)

[Volznut]

Yeah, to be completely honest I've had a really sick baby all weekend and was going on zero sleep when I posted that.  I'm pretty sure I overreacted.  Sorry.  :-)

That sucks, hope he is feeling better. Not a good deal to have a child who is sick, but it comes with the territory.

[BanditVol]

BDV I get your point about not accepting getting screwed.  Actually I am still pissed about the call vs. UK.  Frankly, we win that game without a completely blown call.

In my case, I think the effect of the bad call was less because I mostly fast-forwarded through it and didn't pay attention.

Even so, we shot like shizzle and even if we get the ball there it doesn't guarantee a win, so even had I watched it in real time, I probably don't let it bother me so much.   

But I completely agree that we don't need to accept getting screwed by the refs like we deserve it. 

[Black Diamond Vol]

BDV I get your point about not accepting getting screwed.  Actually I am still pissed about the call vs. UK.  Frankly, we win that game without a completely blown call.

In my case, I think the effect of the bad call was less because I mostly fast-forwarded through it and didn't pay attention.

Even so, we shot like shizzle and even if we get the ball there it doesn't guarantee a win, so even had I watched it in real time, I probably don't let it bother me so much.   

But I completely agree that we don't need to accept getting screwed by the refs like we deserve it. 

Here's the thing- I understand that the players make mistakes, and that the refs are no more infallible than the players.  The difference is, there aren't five other guys on the floor trying to keep the refs from doing their job.  So I have a lot harder time accepting it when they screw up.  Especially in a pivotal spot like that, especially when one of them is standing 5 feet away with an unimpeded view.  And then they can't even conference together to see if one of them might have seen it differently?  They do that all the time in every game, so how could they NOT do it on such an important call as that one, when both teams are playing for their postseason lives?  Inexcusable.