Is Petrino actually any better than Dooley?

[Volznut]

For the love of God, we're not "judging" Petrino because of his "personal issues" (which actually ceased to be "personal" once he hired her).  It's a pattern of behavior.  He has screwed over every organization he's ever worked for.  Without exception.  What makes you people think that UT would be any different? 

And I don't want to hear that he's never been in NCAA trouble.  Because that's just a matter of time.  If he has no problem deceiving his bosses, his friends, his wife, and his kids, then I GUARANTEE he doesn't think twice about skirting compliance bylaws. 

Ok, I speak for myself, not anyone else...hope that is clear.

Now... to answer your question. I think he could be different at UT because he is damaged goods as a person, and has to build his credibility back up, so he isn't going to be dumping us for anyone that quickly. HE can, however, coach. He kicked ass at Louisville and Arkansas, in a short time...on the field. That really can't be debated. Is he a risk? I think everyone knows he is. But if we are going to fire CDD after three seasons, who out there is a big name we can hire that will immediately make us contenders in 2013? Petrino will, and he will do it for less. I am willing to hear other names you think are big names that we can definitely get.

As for NCAA trouble, I don't know. Sounds like the dude has a thing for coeds.... if he was cheating I'd think he would have better recruiting classes.

I'll reiterate, I have a different way of looking at this - I want the guy who can get us back, fast. We're not willing to be patient, so go out and get the guy who will get it done, quickly. I am not concerned about who he is shacking up with. I understand your concern, and I realize that a case to not hire him is easy to make. But I think he is higher risk, higher reward. I think the risk can be mitigated.




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[BanditVol]

Let me be clear on the original topic - I am not really saying Dooley is comparable to Petrino - not yet.   

But I think the resemblence in the character of their teams...great pass offense, mediocre to bad in every other aspect - is striking, and I find Petrino's success in the SEC over-rated.

You say "he went 6-2 for two consecutive years in the West".

I say "he never even made the SECCG, which actually was not good enough for many of our fans in 2007, let alone win the dam thing".

So we aspire to maybe get back to about where we were in 2007, if he even works out at UT, which is debatable, and allowing a couple of years for him to get back up to speed. For which we have to accept character issues similar to those of Kiffin.

Bleah.   

I will allow that they might have had a killer season this year.  Maybe.

[Black Diamond Vol]

Ok, I speak for myself, not anyone else...hope that is clear.

Now... to answer your question. I think he could be different at UT because he is damaged goods as a person, and has to build his credibility back up, so he isn't going to be dumping us for anyone that quickly. HE can, however, coach. He kicked ass at Louisville and Arkansas, in a short time...on the field. That really can't be debated. Is he a risk? I think everyone knows he is. But if we are going to fire CDD after three seasons, who out there is a big name we can hire that will immediately make us contenders in 2013? Petrino will, and he will do it for less. I am willing to hear other names you think are big names that we can definitely get.

As for NCAA trouble, I don't know. Sounds like the dude has a thing for coeds.... if he was cheating I'd think he would have better recruiting classes.

I'll reiterate, I have a different way of looking at this - I want the guy who can get us back, fast. We're not willing to be patient, so go out and get the guy who will get it done, quickly. I am not concerned about who he is shacking up with. I understand your concern, and I realize that a case to not hire him is easy to make. But I think he is higher risk, higher reward. I think the risk can be mitigated.




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Here's a hypothetical:  If Lane Kiffin were fired by USC after this season, would you be in favor of hiring him back?  I'd say 95% of our fanbase would say no.  Yet a big percentage of those same folks would welcome Petrino with open arms.  The only difference between Kiffin and Petrino is that Kiffin screwed US.  Petrino has pulled the same shizzle at 3 different schools and one NFL organization.  At some point, his transgressions cease to be lapses in judgement, and point to his character.  Hiring him isn't a "risk".  It's a guarantee- and not in a good way.  Why would a program who has been down this road recently want to re-trace those steps?

Some other options I can name would be Mike Riley and Gary Patterson.  And while I'm not as high on Charlie Strong as a lot of people, we could certainly do worse.  Ditto for Gruden.

[Volznut]

Here's a hypothetical:  If Lane Kiffin were fired by USC after this season, would you be in favor of hiring him back?  I'd say 95% of our fanbase would say no.  Yet a big percentage of those same folks would welcome Petrino with open arms.  The only difference between Kiffin and Petrino is that Kiffin screwed US.  Petrino has pulled the same shizzle at 3 different schools and one NFL organization.  At some point, his transgressions cease to be lapses in judgement, and point to his character.  Hiring him isn't a "risk".  It's a guarantee- and not in a good way.  Why would a program who has been down this road recently want to re-trace those steps?

Some other options I can name would be Mike Riley and Gary Patterson.  And while I'm not as high on Charlie Strong as a lot of people, we could certainly do worse.  Ditto for Gruden.

Out of those, I think we could possibly get Strong. I don't call him a big name hire.

I don't think Kiffin has done anything on the field remotely like Petrino has.

[BanditVol]

Out of those, I think we could possibly get Strong. I don't call him a big name hire.

I don't think Kiffin has done anything on the field remotely like Petrino has.

He's in the middle of a one-loss season at USC, and some (not me) think SoCal still has a shot at the MNC.

So this season Kiffin probably will equal anything that Petrino did at Arkansas (11-2 or 10-3), and possibly exceed it this season, all while on probation the last two years.

Of course, it's really easy to recruit to USC, much easier than Arkansas, and clearly the schedule is also easier, but wins are wins and losses are losses.

I do understand where you're coming from with Petrino, but definitely think we can do better.