I guess it's my turn to be the resident Negative Nancy

[Creek Walker]

Tennessee is up 35-0 against a patsy and Jones is caught on camera yelling "f*** all of them" about fans in Neyland Stadium? Not a good look at all, especially after Monday's pressed. He's making his job much harder than it has to be.

[BanditVol]

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I'm with NorthDallas40.  Who, ironically, had 40 likes on VN when I copied the above.  If fans want to boo a FG attempt up 35-0, then I don't blame him a bit.

I mean who cares?  

[Black Diamond Vol]

Sigh- Rucker's tweet really stirred up a shizzlestorm.  Which I'm sure was his aim.

First of all, we don't even know for sure that's what he said.  There was no audio, so it's all just a matter of lip reading.  But even if he did, we don't know that it was about the fans.  It could have been about any number of things.  He seemed down on the refs during his halftime interview.  Maybe it was about that.  

After last week, I'm as down on Butch as most anyone.  But let's limit our complaints to what we know, and not try to speculate on something he might have said.

[BanditVol]

Sigh- Rucker's tweet really stirred up a shizzlestorm.  Which I'm sure was his aim.

First of all, we don't even know for sure that's what he said.  There was no audio, so it's all just a matter of lip reading.  But even if he did, we don't know that it was about the fans.  It could have been about any number of things.  He seemed down on the refs during his halftime interview.  Maybe it was about that.  

After last week, I'm as down on Butch as most anyone.  But let's limit our complaints to what we know, and not try to speculate on something he might have said.

You mean the media types would stir shizzle up just to improve their ratings?  (clutching pearls) Say it isn't so! 

 

[PirateVOL]

Sigh- Rucker's tweet really stirred up a shizzlestorm.  Which I'm sure was his aim.

First of all, we don't even know for sure that's what he said.  There was no audio, so it's all just a matter of lip reading.  But even if he did, we don't know that it was about the fans.  It could have been about any number of things.  He seemed down on the refs during his halftime interview.  Maybe it was about that.  

After last week, I'm as down on Butch as most anyone.  But let's limit our complaints to what we know, and not try to speculate on something he might have said.

the resident Butch hater #badword#s on VQ we up in arms immediately

[Creek Walker]

Sigh- Rucker's tweet really stirred up a shizzlestorm.  Which I'm sure was his aim.

First of all, we don't even know for sure that's what he said.  There was no audio, so it's all just a matter of lip reading.  But even if he did, we don't know that it was about the fans.  It could have been about any number of things.  He seemed down on the refs during his halftime interview.  Maybe it was about that.  

After last week, I'm as down on Butch as most anyone.  But let's limit our complaints to what we know, and not try to speculate on something he might have said.

I do not read Rucker. Ever. But I can read lips. And let's be fair...his intent was pretty clear.

[Black Diamond Vol]

I do not read Rucker. Ever. But I can read lips. And let's be fair...his intent was pretty clear.

Did you think that's what he said when you watched it live?  I didn't.  And I don't think his intent was clear at all.

Or did you form that opinion after you saw what someone else thought he said, and then compared it to the four second Vine clip?  Rucker was the first one to tweet it- after that, it went viral in a matter of seconds.  Maybe you didn't get it from Rucker, but you probably picked it up from someone who did.

[Creek Walker]

Yes, I saw it live. I do not rely on muckrakers to form my opinion for me. I mean, it's pretty clear what he said. We can argue intent all night but if it wasn't aimed at fans, then who? Jones said he was upset because the team didn't score a touchdown. Okay, if that's the case then he's saying f*** all the players. That look isn't any better. Now, if the argument is that he was saying that about the refs, I can buy that...but that isn't the defense he offered.

[Tnphil]

I read......that Butch said he was saying it to his coaches. Yeah, right!

[Black Diamond Vol]

Yes, I saw it live. I do not rely on muckrakers to form my opinion for me. I mean, it's pretty clear what he said. We can argue intent all night but if it wasn't aimed at fans, then who? Jones said he was upset because the team didn't score a touchdown. Okay, if that's the case then he's saying f*** all the players. That look isn't any better. Now, if the argument is that he was saying that about the refs, I can buy that...but that isn't the defense he offered.

Well, I don't think it IS clear what he said.  But I'm not the greatest lip reader in the world, so for argument's sake, I'll concede the point.

However- just because we can argue intent all night, that doesn't mean we should.

Be mad at Butch for the apparent S&C problems that may have led to this disastrous injury situation.  Be mad at him for hiring and sticking with Debord.  Be mad at him for failing to have his team ready coming off a bye week against an outmanned opponent.  Hell, be mad at him for that haircut.  I wouldn't argue with any of that. 

But I'm not going to be mad at him for something he may or may not have said in the heat of the moment, and even if he DID say it, we don't know the context.  There's enough of a case to be built against him just based on what we KNOW.  Let's don't try to conjure other stuff out of thin air.  It's that kind of crap that gets us labeled as one of the dumbest CFB fanbases.

[RIPLEYVOL]

Who really gives a f#$k?

[VinnieVOL]

Man, some Vol fans are looking for anything to gripe about with Butch.   

I mean, who cares?

[BanditVol]

VN is kind of a cesspool.  I post over there a fair bit, but don't like it just because of the sheer volume makes threads hard to follow.

But as most of you probably know, there are quite a few negative types over there, and more than a few who dislike Butch and/or have never cared for him.

And the reaction over there is overwhelmingly against the fans for booing.  As it should be. IMO.   

[Creek Walker]

I mean, who cares?

Judging by the reaction i've seen tonight, quite a few people.

Which is just the point, and it's a point that all of you who are so indignant every time someone is critical of the head ball coach are missing. It doesn't matter what I think about it, it doesn't matter what you think about it. What matters is -- just like the presser earlier in the week -- why would you put yourself in that position to start with? Why make your job even more difficult by turning significant portions of the fan base against you? We can dismiss it as no big deal, act like those who dare to bring it up on message boards are drama queens, whatever y'all want to do...but that doesn't make it a non-issue. Once you start alienating supporters, your days are usually numbered as a coach. It takes far more to win them back than it did to lose them.

Were the fans stupid for booing the decision to kick the field goal? Of course they were. But that's fans for you. They're very fickle and usually not very reasonable. Butch's thin-skin reaction to fans who are booing him and to reporters who are just doing their job does him way more harm than good. He has to realize this isn't Central Michigan or Cincinnati. This is the SEC, and his team is not meeting expectations this season. There will be criticism. Fans will boo and reporters will ask tough questions. That is part of life as a coach in this conference, and it's part of why they're so well paid. As I said earlier in the week, the only way you can be a complete jerk and it not eventually catch up with you is to win at a high level, and so far Butch hasn't won at a high level. Maybe he eventually can win at a high level but right now he's making that a more challenging task than it has to be. When Saban tells reporters to go whiz up a rope, no one cares. And if Saban were caught on camera shouting an expletive at fans, no one would care. Because he wins. But it was being a thin-skin jerk that hastened Spurrier's retirement at South Carolina...and if the OBC can't get away with it at South Carolina without it catching up to him, it's certainly going to catch up with Jones at Tennessee.

[VinnieVOL]

Judging by the reaction i've seen tonight, quite a few people.

Which is just the point, and it's a point that all of you who are so indignant every time someone is critical of the head ball coach are missing. It doesn't matter what I think about it, it doesn't matter what you think about it. What matters is -- just like the presser earlier in the week -- why would you put yourself in that position to start with? Why make your job even more difficult by turning significant portions of the fan base against you? We can dismiss it as no big deal, act like those who dare to bring it up on message boards are drama queens, whatever y'all want to do...but that doesn't make it a non-issue. Once you start alienating supporters, your days are usually numbered as a coach. It takes far more to win them back than it did to lose them.

Were the fans stupid for booing the decision to kick the field goal? Of course they were. But that's fans for you. They're very fickle and usually not very reasonable. Butch's thin-skin reaction to fans who are booing him and to reporters who are just doing their job does him way more harm than good. He has to realize this isn't Central Michigan or Cincinnati. This is the SEC, and his team is not meeting expectations this season. There will be criticism. Fans will boo and reporters will ask tough questions. That is part of life as a coach in this conference, and it's part of why they're so well paid. As I said earlier in the week, the only way you can be a complete jerk and it not eventually catch up with you is to win at a high level, and so far Butch hasn't won at a high level. Maybe he eventually can win at a high level but right now he's making that a more challenging task than it has to be. When Saban tells reporters to go whiz up a rope, no one cares. And if Saban were caught on camera shouting an expletive at fans, no one would care. Because he wins. But it was being a thin-skin jerk that hastened Spurrier's retirement at South Carolina...and if the OBC can't get away with it at South Carolina without it catching up to him, it's certainly going to catch up with Jones at Tennessee.

I dont disagree, really.  And I don't fault anyone who is upset.  I don't like that kind of language, either.  Im just past the point of caring how Butch acts and what Butch says.  He never says anything meaningful so I stopped listening to his interviews and pressers a long time ago.

[BanditVol]

Judging by the reaction i've seen tonight, quite a few people.

Which is just the point, and it's a point that all of you who are so indignant every time someone is critical of the head ball coach are missing. It doesn't matter what I think about it, it doesn't matter what you think about it. What matters is -- just like the presser earlier in the week -- why would you put yourself in that position to start with? Why make your job even more difficult by turning significant portions of the fan base against you? We can dismiss it as no big deal, act like those who dare to bring it up on message boards are drama queens, whatever y'all want to do...but that doesn't make it a non-issue. Once you start alienating supporters, your days are usually numbered as a coach. It takes far more to win them back than it did to lose them.

Were the fans stupid for booing the decision to kick the field goal? Of course they were. But that's fans for you. They're very fickle and usually not very reasonable. Butch's thin-skin reaction to fans who are booing him and to reporters who are just doing their job does him way more harm than good. He has to realize this isn't Central Michigan or Cincinnati. This is the SEC, and his team is not meeting expectations this season. There will be criticism. Fans will boo and reporters will ask tough questions. That is part of life as a coach in this conference, and it's part of why they're so well paid. As I said earlier in the week, the only way you can be a complete jerk and it not eventually catch up with you is to win at a high level, and so far Butch hasn't won at a high level. Maybe he eventually can win at a high level but right now he's making that a more challenging task than it has to be. When Saban tells reporters to go whiz up a rope, no one cares. And if Saban were caught on camera shouting an expletive at fans, no one would care. Because he wins. But it was being a thin-skin jerk that hastened Spurrier's retirement at South Carolina...and if the OBC can't get away with it at South Carolina without it catching up to him, it's certainly going to catch up with Jones at Tennessee.

Honestly no one does care.  Even the posters on VolNation are mostly blaming the fans.

[crockettman]

It's a much needed win,even if it's against Tech..Jones and the team need to focus on UK,period..There's still a shot at the SEC East and ATL..A lot left to play for,one game at a time.. Go Vols!

[Black Diamond Vol]

Judging by the reaction i've seen tonight, quite a few people.

Which is just the point, and it's a point that all of you who are so indignant every time someone is critical of the head ball coach are missing. It doesn't matter what I think about it, it doesn't matter what you think about it. What matters is -- just like the presser earlier in the week -- why would you put yourself in that position to start with? Why make your job even more difficult by turning significant portions of the fan base against you? We can dismiss it as no big deal, act like those who dare to bring it up on message boards are drama queens, whatever y'all want to do...but that doesn't make it a non-issue. Once you start alienating supporters, your days are usually numbered as a coach. It takes far more to win them back than it did to lose them.

Were the fans stupid for booing the decision to kick the field goal? Of course they were. But that's fans for you. They're very fickle and usually not very reasonable. Butch's thin-skin reaction to fans who are booing him and to reporters who are just doing their job does him way more harm than good. He has to realize this isn't Central Michigan or Cincinnati. This is the SEC, and his team is not meeting expectations this season. There will be criticism. Fans will boo and reporters will ask tough questions. That is part of life as a coach in this conference, and it's part of why they're so well paid. As I said earlier in the week, the only way you can be a complete jerk and it not eventually catch up with you is to win at a high level, and so far Butch hasn't won at a high level. Maybe he eventually can win at a high level but right now he's making that a more challenging task than it has to be. When Saban tells reporters to go whiz up a rope, no one cares. And if Saban were caught on camera shouting an expletive at fans, no one would care. Because he wins. But it was being a thin-skin jerk that hastened Spurrier's retirement at South Carolina...and if the OBC can't get away with it at South Carolina without it catching up to him, it's certainly going to catch up with Jones at Tennessee.

How did he put himself in any position?  It's not like he grabbed a microphone and told all 100,000 people there to go to hell.  He said...something...to...someone...on the sideline at a football game.  Communication.  That's part of a coach's job description.  Doesn't a coach have the right to do their job on gameday without a million amateur speech analysts on the internet parsing their every word and- even worse- trying to read their mind to determine the context?

[BanditVol]

One more thing on this CW. It's the context.

Let's flash back to last year's OU game, when early on Butch decided to kick the FG.  If the fans boo and he says the same thing (assuming the lip readers are accurate), that's one thing.

But in this case we are up 35 and going for it in this situation would not even be classy or make sense.  And what might make sense is getting some confidence for your kicker who missed a game winner the previous week.

So Butch is not saying "I hate the fans" so much as he is saying "ignore the fans".   This is how I take it anyway.  Just putting myself into Jones position, if I (again assuming the lip reading is accurate) said "f--- them" in that situation, then I am probably just telling my kicker to ignore the boos.

That's how I take it anyway, and also a big part of why I don't care.  Hope this helps.   

[HerbTarlekVol]

MCA level coach.  Doesn't have the temperment to coach at the SEC level. 

Butch won't be here past the 2017 season.  I've said all along that his lack of being able to handle the pressure will be his undoing.  I still believe that. 

[Creek Walker]

He said...something...to...someone...on the sideline at a football game.  Communication.  That's part of a coach's job description. 

With all due respect, and trust me when I say plenty is due, that's quite a reach. Let's consider it this way: if the shoe were on some other coach's foot . . . say Jim McElwain's or Nick Saban's, would you be dismissing it or doubting it? You'd be all over it. I would be, too.

[BanditVol]

With all due respect, and trust me when I say plenty is due, that's quite a reach. Let's consider it this way: if the shoe were on some other coach's foot . . . say Jim McElwain's or Nick Saban's, would you be dismissing it or doubting it? You'd be all over it. I would be, too.

Honestly, I wouldn't give rat's arse.  If it was not justified I would, but again, the majority of fans on VN have sided with Butch.  Let me say that again.  The majority of fans.  ON VOL FREAKING NATION!!!!

 

[Black Diamond Vol]

With all due respect, and trust me when I say plenty is due, that's quite a reach. Let's consider it this way: if the shoe were on some other coach's foot . . . say Jim McElwain's or Nick Saban's, would you be dismissing it or doubting it? You'd be all over it. I would be, too.

Only if it was obviously overboard- like when McElwain went apeshizzle earlier this year over the "dirty hit" that wasn't.  But if I saw another coach do what Butch did on Saturday, I wouldn't give it a second thought.