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« on: October 23, 2019, 06:12:30 EDT » |
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Rick Barnes, ladies and gentlemen!
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2019, 06:17:00 EDT » |
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Yep. Took a day longer than expected to announce, but huge none the less.
Deacon Barnes is doing some 'crootin.
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VinnieVOL
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2019, 06:38:34 EDT » |
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Saw this..... 247 sports has a list of TN's all-time best recruits. Rick has 4 on that list: #9 in TN history - Corey Walker Jr. #6 - Josiah James #4 - Keon Johnson #3 - Jaden Springer Sure seems like TN bball is here to stay.  |
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2019, 06:50:35 EDT » |
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The 2020 class is insane, and not done. Likely we add 4 star 6'10 Dylan Cardwell.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2019, 06:59:31 EDT » |
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Saw this..... 247 sports has a list of TN's all-time best recruits. Rick has 4 on that list: #9 in TN history - Corey Walker Jr. #6 - Josiah James #4 - Keon Johnson #3 - Jaden Springer Sure seems like TN bball is here to stay. And yet arguably the two best players in UT history were 2-3 star nobodies. It’s great to have the 5* All-Americans, but you have to develop a supporting cast for them, too. Fortunately Barnes has proven his mettle in this area, as well.  |
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2019, 07:28:00 EDT » |
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And yet arguably the two best players in UT history were 2-3 star nobodies. It’s great to have the 5* All-Americans, but you have to develop a supporting cast for them, too. Fortunately Barnes has proven his mettle in this area, as well. Disagree on that one. Bernard King is the greatest player in UT basketball history. He was far from a "2-3 star" nobody in his day. It took Stu Aberdeen spending literally over 50 days in a row keeping him away from college coaches from all over the country. Dale Ellis was also a very highly recruited player, and he's certainly in the top 3-4 in UT history. Don Devoe had to battle all of the big boys for him. |
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2019, 08:27:32 EDT » |
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And yet arguably the two best players in UT history were 2-3 star nobodies. It’s great to have the 5* All-Americans, but you have to develop a supporting cast for them, too. Fortunately Barnes has proven his mettle in this area, as well. Just to show my old cynical self, I am still in "show me" mode about Barnes elite coaching talents. He is above average. He had a great team last year but failed to even win a SEC title. He also had Durrant at Texas and didn't win a title. But my hat is off to him for this recruiting run he is on. Hopefully he is on his way to ending his "can't win the big one" label. Just realize, if he has an abundance of 5* talent, just making the dance will not be enough. Why shouldn't we expect final 4's and finals? |
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2019, 08:39:26 EDT » |
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Where was Allen Houston?
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2019, 08:40:38 EDT » |
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Disagree on that one.
Bernard King is the greatest player in UT basketball history. He was far from a "2-3 star" nobody in his day. It took Stu Aberdeen spending literally over 50 days in a row keeping him away from college coaches from all over the country.
Dale Ellis was also a very highly recruited player, and he's certainly in the top 3-4 in UT history. Don Devoe had to battle all of the big boys for him.
I think GW is a bit better, nothing against Bernard. I'd rate Bernard 2. Lofton 3, Houston 4 |
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2019, 08:43:34 EDT » |
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Just to show my old cynical self, I am still in "show me" mode about Barnes elite coaching talents. He is above average. He had a great team last year but failed to even win a SEC title. He also had Durrant at Texas and didn't win a title. But my hat is off to him for this recruiting run he is on. Hopefully he is on his way to ending his "can't win the big one" label. Just realize, if he has an abundance of 5* talent, just making the dance will not be enough. Why shouldn't we expect final 4's and finals?
I can be a tad bit negative myself, but I'm glad I'm not one of those miserable people who just can't seem to find pleasure or joy in anything at all. |
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2019, 08:45:23 EDT » |
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Bernard was a superstar from day one in both college and pro's. I saw him play more than a few times. I love Williams though. But he will never be a franchise type player.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2019, 08:53:04 EDT » |
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I can be a tad bit negative myself, but I'm glad I'm not one of those miserable people who just can't seem to find pleasure or joy in anything at all.
Doesn't mean a lot folks don't feel the same way i do about Barnes. Doesn't mean I am miserable or don't enjoy their success. Doesn't it make you mad that he couldn't beat Pearl with the best Vol team in years. Never have said Barnes was a bad coach. He is really good. If he keeps going the way he has been, we may see some GREAT runs. I am counting on it. But I also understand it takes a lot of things to come together at the right time and lots of luck for anyone to win a title. |
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2019, 08:59:06 EDT » |
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Doesn't mean a lot folks don't feel the same way i do about Barnes. Doesn't mean I am miserable or don't enjoy their success. Doesn't it make you mad that he couldn't beat Pearl with the best Vol team in years. Never have said Barnes was a bad coach. He is really good. If he keeps going the way he has been, we may see some GREAT runs. I am counting on it. But I also understand it takes a lot of things to come together at the right time and lots of luck for anyone to win a title.
Was I disappointed that Tennessee didn't beat Auburn? Of course. Was I mad? Not in the least. I love the culture Rick Barnes has built at Tennessee. Love it. Last year's team was my favorite sports team ever, in any sport at any level. We could be struggling to make the NCAA Tournament under Cuonzo. Or, even better, we could flip back to the '90s where we either a.) significantly under-achieved under a coach like Wade Houston, b.) played the most boring brand of basketball the world has ever seen under Kevin O'Pottymouth, or c.) had an unlikeable team under a coach like Jerry Green -- whose late-season collapses were far worse than anything Barnes has put together. But it's not just basketball. You literally seem to look for the negative in EVERYTHING, at least everything that is Vol sports-related. Hey, it's your life and to each his own. I'm just saying I'm glad I can look at the fact that Barnes has commitments from three 5-star players in a single class and instead of seeing the negative in it I can wonder, "You know, if Barnes can achieve what he achieved with 2- and 3-star players, what is he going to do with a team full of 5-star players?" |
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« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2019, 09:11:15 EDT » |
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Was I disappointed that Tennessee didn't beat Auburn? Of course. Was I mad? Not in the least. I love the culture Rick Barnes has built at Tennessee. Love it. Last year's team was my favorite sports team ever, in any sport at any level. We could be struggling to make the NCAA Tournament under Cuonzo. Or, even better, we could flip back to the '90s where we either a.) significantly under-achieved under a coach like Wade Houston, b.) played the most boring brand of basketball the world has ever seen under Kevin O'Pottymouth, or c.) had an unlikeable team under a coach like Jerry Green -- whose late-season collapses were far worse than anything Barnes has put together.
But it's not just basketball. You literally seem to look for the negative in EVERYTHING, at least everything that is Vol sports-related. Hey, it's your life and to each his own. I'm just saying I'm glad I can look at the fact that Barnes has commitments from three 5-star players in a single class and instead of seeing the negative in it I can wonder, "You know, if Barnes can achieve what he achieved with 2- and 3-star players, what is he going to do with a team full of 5-star players?"
THIS  Coach cookout had the Pick-A-Nicknames peaking at the right time last year. It happens, good for him and the Tigers. |
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  All men dream: but not equally. Those who Dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds Wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the Dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they May act their dream with open eyes, to make it Possible. This I did. —T. E. Lawrence, The Seven Pillars of Wisdom _________________________________________________________________________________________________ "If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly." - David Hackworth "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet" General James "Mad Dog" Mattis |
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VinnieVOL
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2019, 09:27:23 EDT » |
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Doesn't mean a lot folks don't feel the same way i do about Barnes. Doesn't mean I am miserable or don't enjoy their success. Doesn't it make you mad that he couldn't beat Pearl with the best Vol team in years. Never have said Barnes was a bad coach. He is really good. If he keeps going the way he has been, we may see some GREAT runs. I am counting on it. But I also understand it takes a lot of things to come together at the right time and lots of luck for anyone to win a title.
You can't say "I'm in show me mode" and two posts later say "I am counting on it". Seriously why do you crap on every positive post there is? Beats all I've ever seen. |
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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2019, 09:28:32 EDT » |
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THIS Coach cookout had the Pick-A-Nicknames peaking at the right time last year. It happens, good for him and the Tigers. Yep, last year was lightning in a bottle for BP. |
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2019, 10:02:03 EDT » |
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I think GW is a bit better, nothing against Bernard. I'd rate Bernard 2. Lofton 3, Houston 4
Nut, Bernard was a three time AA AND three time SECPOY. He played 14 seasons (actually just over 11 full seasons because of injuries) in the NBA and was a 4 time All Star. He averaged 23 PPG in the NBA, and he's in the Naismith Basketball HOF. I love Grant Williams, but there is no way he is ever going to have those numbers or earn those designations. He'll be a good role player, but he is not near the player - either at UT nor in the NBA - that King was. |
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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2019, 10:09:16 EDT » |
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THIS Coach cookout had the Pick-A-Nicknames peaking at the right time last year. It happens, good for him and the Tigers. Yeah, but I can't get past the fact that they lost in the Semis. I know making the FF for the first time in school history is quite an accomplishment, and I would feel good about if I were an Auburn fan, but Pearl really has to win it all. I think he might be a "make it to the final four without winning" coach, and that's just not acceptable. |
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2019, 10:49:39 EDT » |
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UT's class stands at No.4 right now  |
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« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2019, 10:58:53 EDT » |
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I love it! I've always thought UT could compete at the highest level in bball. We've been knocking on the door!
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« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2019, 11:26:31 EDT » |
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You can't say "I'm in show me mode" and two posts later say "I am counting on it". Seriously why do you crap on every positive post there is? Beats all I've ever seen.
I'm counting on him to show me he can do more with more. |
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« Reply #22 on: October 24, 2019, 05:09:03 EDT » |
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Old guy here. Agree 100%. Bernard King. Period, end of sentence, end of discussion in my closed-minded opinion.  Nut, Bernard was a three time AA AND three time SECPOY. He played 14 seasons (actually just over 11 full seasons because of injuries) in the NBA and was a 4 time All Star. He averaged 23 PPG in the NBA, and he's in the Naismith Basketball HOF.
I love Grant Williams, but there is no way he is ever going to have those numbers or earn those designations. He'll be a good role player, but he is not near the player - either at UT nor in the NBA - that King was.
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« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2019, 07:30:38 EDT » |
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I'm counting on him to show me he can do more with more.
The KING of the Volunteers! |
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All men dream: but not equally. Those who Dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds Wake in the day to find that it was vanity; but the Dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they May act their dream with open eyes, to make it Possible. This I did. —T. E. Lawrence, The Seven Pillars of Wisdom _________________________________________________________________________________________________ "If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly." - David Hackworth "Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everybody you meet" General James "Mad Dog" Mattis |
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« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2019, 02:43:07 EDT » |
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Old guy here. Agree 100%. Bernard King. Period, end of sentence, end of discussion in my closed-minded opinion. My Dad says the same thing, BK is still the GOAT for TN men's bball. |
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