This is just what UTK needs right now.. Unbelieveable

[PirateVOL]

I'll e Orgasmo for $200 Alex.

P/O the 56%

Interesting evening activities ...

[Clockwork Orange]

It's a mandatory fee, CO.  No matter how you try to spin it part of that fee is going towards that.  They can say they don't want to contribute to it, but the REALITY is that part of the fee they are paying is, in fact, funding it.  It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.  

Sorry, I left my protractor at home. Can you explain to me which part of this doesn't clearly put the onus on the students to voluntarily give part of their fee to the student-driven portion of university activities:

If a student fails, for any reason, to expressly authorize the University to allocate a certain amount or percentage of the SPSF for Student-Organized Programming, then that amount or percentage of the student’s SPSF shall be allocated by the Chief Student Affairs Officer for a use that benefits students, within the limits described in Section 3 and 4, but the funds shall not be used for Student-Organized Programming.

The spin on this is coming from you, Herb. Not me.

[10EC]

So, I wonder what Morals week is like?

[PirateVOL]

So, I wonder what Morals week is like?

Probably an empty canvas, nobody has done that before ...

[HerbTarlekVol]

Sorry, I left my protractor at home. Can you explain to me which part of this doesn't clearly put the onus on the students to voluntarily give part of their fee to the student-driven portion of university activities:

The spin on this is coming from you, Herb. Not me.

Hello McFly - if it is a mandatory student fee and monies from those mandatory fees are being used for activities collectively. One can't "direct" where mandatory fees may or may not end up.    

Sorry, CO.  Your spin just doesn't make reasonable nor rational sense.  When you pay taxes you have no say in what part goes to pay what service/entitlement offered by the level of government that is taxing its citizens.  A mandatory fee, no matter what one calls it, is no different.

As the saying goes, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig. 

[Clockwork Orange]

Hello McFly - if it is a mandatory student fee and monies from those mandatory fees are being used for activities collectively. One can't "direct" where mandatory fees may or may not end up.     

Sorry, CO.  Your spin just doesn't make reasonable nor rational sense.  When you pay taxes you have no say in what part goes to pay what service/entitlement offered by the level of government that is taxing its citizens.  A mandatory fee, no matter what one calls it, is no different. 

You are entitled to your opinion on whether Sex Week is a good use of student-directed funds or whether the UT administration should allow it. But you are not entitled to your own set of facts on the subject. This fee was once similar to a government tax, used in its entirety by UT Student Life in whatever manner it thought best. But since the 2014 policy change, individual students actually do-- in reality, not in my "spin"-- have the option of locking those funds away from student-dictated programming they think may be objectionable or that they just otherwise don't want to pay for.

Student-Organized Programming (SOP) is one of eight uses of the SPSF fee. If a a student opts out of his fees being used for SOP, then one of the seven other areas will get the portion of their fee that would have been earmarked for SOP if he had opted in. So no, the SPSF is not reduced by the students who fail to opt in, but the portion used for Student-Organized Programming events like Sex Week is.

The math is simple here and so is the English. Insulting my intelligence is not a strong debate tactic and won't convince many people-- me especially-- that you have a handle on facts that I, as a noted dullard, can't seem to grasp.

[HerbTarlekVol]

You are entitled to your opinion on whether Sex Week is a good use of student-directed funds or whether the UT administration should allow it. But you are not entitled to your own set of facts on the subject. This fee was once similar to a government tax, used in its entirety by UT Student Life in whatever manner it thought best. But since the 2014 policy change, individual students actually do-- in reality, not in my "spin"-- have the option of locking those funds away from student-dictated programming they think may be objectionable or that they just otherwise don't want to pay for.

Student-Organized Programming (SOP) is one of eight uses of the SPSF fee. If a a student opts out of his fees being used for SOP, then one of the seven other areas will get the portion of their fee that would have been earmarked for SOP if he had opted in. So no, the SPSF is not reduced by the students who fail to opt in, but the portion used for Student-Organized Programming events like Sex Week is.

The math is simple here and so is the English. Insulting my intelligence is not a strong debate tactic and won't convince many people-- me especially-- that you have a handle on facts that I, as a noted dullard, can't seem to grasp.

Good night, CO. 

It's a mandatory fee, correct? 

If one has objection to where any of the fee is spent, are they issued a refund?

No. 

Then stop with the stupid attempt at spinning it. 

Like I said, you can put lipstick on a pig, but that doesn't change the FACT that it is still a pig. 

But of course, those in the academia world are so much smarter than the rest of us, correct? 

[Clockwork Orange]

Good night, CO. 

It's a mandatory fee, correct? 

If one has objection to where any of the fee is spent, are they issued a refund?

No. 

Then stop with the stupid attempt at spinning it. 

Like I said, you can put lipstick on a pig, but that doesn't change the FACT that it is still a pig. 

But of course, those in the academia world are so much smarter than the rest of us, correct? 

I can probably do a better job explaining my position, but it's going to involve fractions. Before I bother, do you have any special rules on fractions that you'd like me to bear in mind, or can I just use the standard operations and methods that generally apply in circumstances where fractional quantities are involved?

Just as an example, if I slice a pie into 8 equal pieces and you specify that you want your share of that 8th piece to actually be removed from that piece and left in another piece, then generally speaking that means the 8th piece is now less than 1/8 of the pie. But just because this is how fractions work in every situation I've encountered doesn't mean there isn't some modification of rules that you are aware of but I remain ignorant of. I am always willing to learn new things about math.

[10EC]

It's a mandatory fee, CO.  No matter how you try to spin it part of that fee is going towards that.  They can say they don't want to contribute to it, but the REALITY is that part of the fee they are paying is, in fact, funding it.  It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out. 

I have (I think) a better example.  Lets assume there are 25K students and each students fees are $2.  That's a total pot of $50,000 for all activities.

Lets also assume there are only 2 activities for simplicity.  Sexweek thing cost $1 per student.  And Moralsweek costs $1 per student.

If only one student says they don't want their fee to go to sexweek, then sexweek gets $24,999 and Morals week gets $25,001

Does that make sense?

[VOLveeta]

Only 77 copies... signed by the Bandit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2_FPuHbEtE

[BanditVol]

Only 77 copies... signed by the Bandit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2_FPuHbEtE

Whaaaat?  Oh, that Bandit.  Hey, we both do like to drive fast.   

[BanditVol]

The pic of the two "instructors" is actually a disincentive to sex.     lol!

[BanditVol]

Let me join the chorus of agreement that the students can, in fact, direct the $19.79 fraction of their activity fees to areas other than Student Organized activities, and that this includes Sex Week.  Not spin...just a very clear statement of the University policy that is linked above.

Not sure how it's not clear?